John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 01:07:23PM +0100, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: >> > Could you point me at the specific paragraph in either the constitution >> > or the social contract, or in perhaps any other official document by the >> > Debian project as a whole that supports this statement? >> >> Especially since stable doesn't even install on recent server boxes... > > Oh, I guess you must be talking about things like our new rack-mount > PowerEdge 2650 with aacraid built in? A machine that the stable CD > installed with no trouble whatsoever?
Which doesn't support hyperthreading nor the network cards ? I have a bunch of 1650 and 2650, where debian installer didn't work at all. I had to install redhat in it, then debootstrap a debian inside and then move debian to root and remove redhat. Nevertheless I had to leave redhat's kernel because debian didn't support it (redhat 2.4.18-5? and debian 2.4.18 something). This was last year. Later, at around debian's kernel 2.4.20 or 22, when it got e1000 and tg3 driver, I did install debian kernel in dell's 1650, but I still keep redhat's ones in 2650 due to lacking hyperthreading support in debian (see below). example for two equal machines, dell1 with a debian kernel and dell2 with a redhat kernel, both with the same debian system (dd'ed from one to the other): dell1:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name" | head -1 model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz dell1:~# uname -a Linux dell1 2.4.22-1-686-smp #5 SMP Sat Oct 4 14:35:05 EST 2003 i686 GNU/Linux dell1:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor processor : 0 processor : 1 dell2:~# uname -a Linux dell2 2.4.20-20.9smp #1 SMP Mon Aug 18 11:32:15 EDT 2003 i686 GNU/Linux dell2:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor processor : 0 processor : 1 processor : 2 processor : 3 I also got a Tecra M1 where nor old debian installer nor the new one did work at all. I had to run knoppix in it, knx-hd-install and then upgrade to debian's unstable. In conclusion: I tend to suggest to my friends to just bootup knoppix, see if everything works ok, and then update to debian. And I just say "don't complain about debian installer being worst than redhat or suse. use knoppix and just forget debian installer". Can't we just make an installer like a mini-knoppix ?