On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 01:55:57PM -0500, Ian Murdock wrote:
> I don't doubt there were changes, even some worthwhile changes,
> between the version of libc in sarge and the versions in
> hoary/breezy. My question is: Are the changes worth breaking
> compatibility? It's a cost/benefit thing. And if they're
> important enough, why aren't they going into Debian directly?
>
> I understand why Ubuntu was moving ahead of Debian before, since
> Debian was so far behind. But now that sarge is out, don't
> you think it would be worthwhile to give Debian a chance to fix its
> release cycle problems and, better yet, to try to help fix them,
> rather than simply saying "Debian is too slow/unpredictable for us"?
Let's slow down for a minute. No one has said "Debian is too
slow/unpredictable for us", no one is denying Debian a chance to address the
issues with its release cycle, and Hoary did not break glibc ABI
compatibility with Sarge.
I think the following timeline might help to clarify the situation:
2004-12-27 glibc 2.3.2.ds1-20 uploaded to sid
(http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2004/12/msg01481.html)
2005-04-08 Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog) released, with glibc based
on (and compatible with) sid's (and sarge's) 2.3.2.ds1-20
(http://www.ubuntulinux.org/504Released)
2005-04-16 glibc 2.3.2.ds1-21 uploaded to sid
(http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/04/msg01457.html)
2005-04-18 glibc 2.3.5 uploaded to experimental
(http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/04/msg01579.html)
2005-04-28 glibc 2.3.2.ds1-21 accepted into sarge
(http://release.debian.org/sarge-hints/vorlon)
2005-05-17 glibc 2.3.5 uploaded to breezy
(http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-May/004798.html)
2005-06-06 Debian 3.1 (Sarge) released, with glibc 2.3.2.ds1-22
(http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2005/msg00003.html)
2005-06-?? glibc 2.3.5 expected to enter sid sometime this month
As I've said to you privately already, I do not feel that demanding binary
compatibility between Debian and Ubuntu is the best way to address your
concerns. You seem to disagree strongly, as is of course your right, but I
think that some of the comments that you've made in support of this cause
have been misleading.
The fact is that Hoary *was* binary compatible (in both directions) with
both sarge and sid when it was released. Later, the Debian glibc
maintainers and release managers considered changing the ABI in order to fix
a bug. In the course of a lengthy discussion[0], including expression of
concerns about inter-distribution compatibility, they weighed the options
and decided to go ahead with it. I fully support their decision, and I do
not consider the resulting incompatibility to be a significant obstacle to
the continuing growth and success of either Debian or Ubuntu. Presumably,
neither did they.
[0] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=297769
Again, you may disagree with me on this point, but there is no justification
for claiming that Ubuntu created this situation, regardless of your opinion
about it.
> Again, as I've said before, it's *sarge* the rest of the world thinks of
> as Debian, not sid. So, "we're getting out patches into sid" or "we're
> tracking sid" or whatever doesn't really help anything.
I don't know what you mean by this. Are you trying to say that:
- Patches received from Ubuntu should have been pushed into sarge more
aggressively?
- Ubuntu should base its development branch on sarge rather than sid?
Neither of these interpretations make sense to me.
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- mdz
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