On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 12:28:14PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > I was going to make a large answer where i was going to denouse the > inexactitudes and false claims of this clearly inflamatory mail, but i will > refrain from doing so.
> I wonder if Steve, and others of the 'esteemed' DDs, is following his own > advice, and rereading the mails he writes, and if so, why did he need to add > such a great amount of ad-hominem attacks again, and what was the added value > it did bring to his point. "So Sven is going to continue to be used here as an illustrative example, not because I want to pick on Sven, but because I want to demonstrate the plausibility of the problem I'm talking about." This was *not about you*. I was not expressing support for expelling you from the project, I was addressing the fallacious claim that killfiling people we don't get along with is a fix for conflict. I'm sorry if you felt attacked by my mail, but not only was it not ad-hominem (since you were not making an argument, I could hardly be trying to undercut a non-argument by attacking your character!), it wasn't a criticism of you *at all*. It was only an enumeration of people in the project that I know you have (or have had) an antagonistic relationship with, and a brief explanation of the source of those conflicts. It is a list of people in the project that, if we were playing by Jonas's rules, I think *might* wish to killfile you. I don't see why you should be mad at *me* that I'm able to think of so many people to put in that category. > There are others in the project people have a difficult time working with, > including some of the respected and eminent guys, but nobody would dare > expulse them for it, or even critic. We weren't talking about expulsions or criticism, we were talking about killfiling. I guess I could use myself as an example here instead of you, and hypothesize about a group of developers killfiling me in response to the Vancouver proposal; but killfiling someone just because of a technical decision you disagree with is even more absurd, and I don't think even Jonas was suggesting that. > I mean, Steve mentioned the debian-legal thing, but failed to mention that > part of my involvement with debian-legal (over the ocaml issue, but > previously the XFree86 licence mess), made me the receiving end of a > irc-witch-hunt from branden assufield and a few others i don't remember, > which would have made andres have an heart attack had he seen it. Er... how exactly does that invalidate my point about who might want to killfile you in Jonas's world? Do you think that your suffering on IRC negates others' feelings about whether they find you difficult to work with? Do you think it would be an improvement if, before sending my mail, I had gotten affidavits from each of the people mentioned, stating how they feel towards you? And aren't your follow-ups here a perfect example of why people complain about you personalizing all discussions? -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/
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