Le mercredi 25 juillet 2007 à 16:17 -0400, Marvin Renich a écrit :
> My original message was specifically concerned with graphical apps.  I'm
> not sure which console apps should be displayed; for the most part, I
> think the Debian maintainer should decide whether it deserves to be
> displayed by default.

I still disagree. The policy should enforce detailed tagging that allows
window managers and menu systems maintainers to filter out entries they
don't want to display.

> Window managers *definitely* should be displayed.  If I went to the
> trouble of installing sawfish in addition to metacity, I would like to
> be able to use both.  Yes, from the menu.

Sorry, but the menu is not a holdall where we put all functionality that
we don't know where to put without thinking a few minutes.

A window manager choice has nothing to do in an application menu, as it
is not an application. This is a matter for a configuration tool,
whatever form it takes.

> > Why shouldn't we attempt to make menus usable?
> 
> I didn't say we should not make them usable, I said we should not try to
> make them more usable *by reducing access to less frequently used apps*.

As things are, even with the best possible menu system one can imagine,
you won't manage to make a menu with 500 entries as usable as one with
100.

> > Guess what, toolbars are not used by a good share of users.

> Also, my experience is that a good share of less-technically-oriented-
> but-comfortable-using-a-computer users actually do use toolbars.

These affirmations are not contradictory. I don't deny that many users
make use of their toolbar, but I think we should keep the menu usable
for users who don't.

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