On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 06:35:40PM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote: > Reinhard Tartler wrote: > > Joey Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Shouldn't we then remove recommends entirely and turn them into > > > regular Depends? > > > > The sometime 'soft dependencies' called feature of Recommends and > > Suggests is something which makes Debian unique compared to other > > distributions. It would be sad to loose this. > > Don't we lose it already on October 1st when apt-get installs all > Recommends per default? It's ok for high-level tools like aptitude > and Synaptic to behave that way, but I'm not exactly happy for > apt-get to go that way. [..] I understand your concern, but I do not thing it will be like this. I think it will make debian better by making it more flexible. It could even lead to a *smaller* debian as some things that are currently depends could become recommends.
Take for example "gksu". It a wonderful application and a lot of packages depend on it. My impression is that a lot of those depends are because gksu is used in a .desktop file to start the application. This seems to be the case for e.g. firestarter. Strictly speaking gksu is not really a depends, the package works perfectly without gksu. So it should be a recommend and powerusers can remove it (they use the terminal anyway to start stuff). I'm pretty sure there are more such examples. The current recommends situaton is bad, but as I see it we have two options: a) change policy and say recommends should really be suggests b) fix apt and go through the transition pain Letting the current situation drag on forever is not really a solution IMHO. And we have time to fix the reommends chain and to fix the tools to better distinguish between real depends and recommends (that is not ideal currently). It is possible to see what packages got installed because they were pulled in as recommends of other package. This makes use of the automatic install information. With the current apt you can run: # apt-get autoremove -o APT::AutoRemove::RecommendsImportant=false to get those packages. There is currently no easy way to get this in synaptic but that should be straightforward to implement. In summary I think that depends will not become another form of depends and people will forget about them. Just the oposite, it will be a benefit especially for the powerusers. Regular users will just ignore them. I understand that a lot of people are not happy about a change like this, but I think recommends-cleanup and improving our tools should really make debian better and there is still time to work on the remaining issues :) I guess my initial mail should have included much more details and examples to explain the rational better. Cheers, Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
