Enrico Zini wrote: > On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 02:04:20PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: > > > It wasn't the GR itself. It was the fact that these changes to the NM > > process were actually made. I suppose it is arguable that those changes > > simply would not have happened without the GR, but that indicates more > > of a lack of direct motivation within the new maintainer team. > > > > So, if it required the GR to motivate them, then I suppose it was a > > necessity and ultimately a good thing, but my point is simply that its > > better when motivation comes from within; rather than an applied > > external force. > > I do not see how talking about the NM process or that GR is at all > relevant in this thread, and please do not consider this message of mine > an intent to contribute to it in any other way but to clarify a > misrepresentation of a team I'm a member of. > > From the point of view of Front Desk, motivation has always been there: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/10/msg00005.html > but a GR was needed to be able to proceed, because the hands of FD were > rather tied by this other GR: http://www.debian.org/vote/2008/vote_002
Then the core problem is the hand-tying itself, and that is the consequence of the GR process itself. Thus, my point remains: GRs are the wrong way to achieve change; they have long-term and unintended consequences. Ideally, changes should be adopted based on technical merit itself; rather than forced. > Please do not try to provide facts about the motivation or intentions of > others unless you really know them, otherwise you run into the risk of > misrepresenting other people, which is bad. OK, I actually tried to avoid presenting that as a fact, and more as an interpretation of the situation. "...if it required the GR to motivate them..." makes that intent pretty clear I think. I didn't intend the word "motivation" to be interpreted as lack of interest or in any kind of negative connotation, but more in the sense of overcoming some kind of barrier/inertia; i.e. definition 1 in a google search: "The reason or reasons one has for acting or behaving in a particular way". Best wishes, Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110507132223.d2deb096.michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com
