On 13 August 2013 14:36, Joey Hess <jo...@debian.org> wrote: > Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: >> Is there any reason this hasn't been applied yet? >> Can I NMU this, as debhelper is marked as LowNMU package. > > Not for reasons such as allowing patches like this. >
Ok. > Making all builds verbose by default has both advantages and > disadvantages. > I agree, there should be a way to toggle this. > The disadvantages include making builds possibly so noisy that when one > runs them during daily work, once ignores all output. Including > important compiler warnings. > We have build log analyzers running for the build logs. And the important compiler warnings (errors) fail the build. If we make this opt-in, we will fail to achieve this goal. As when one is debugging a failed build (e.g. the failure in the last hour of webkit/qt/libreoffice compile on armhf porter box, or by hand ./debian/rules build) that's when one would start caring & wishing to have the verbose output would have been set, but it would be too late. The way I interpret this goal is to have the build logs verbose by default and/or opt-out. Making this opt-in, will need many machines modified - potentially all the builders / CI integration. It's not just about Debian buildd network, but anyone who rebuilds debian packages or derives from Debian. Including all the ways people integrate and build debian packages. > (This is the same reason why it's a bad idea to let a codebase > accumulate a lot of compiler warnings!) > > I'd be ok with DH_VERBOSE enabling the verbose behavior, and the buildds > could then enable it. > I'm against re-using DH_VERBOSE variable: * DH_VERBOSE has explicit meaning to control output of dh_* commands. DH_VEBOSE=1 should print how/what dh_auto_* commands invokes. It should not change the commands it invokes. * this debian goal is not debhelper/cdbs/etc specific, but helper/build-system agnostic. How about a new DEB_BUILD_OPTION="silent" which opts into silent build log? Does that sound reasonable. For a policy change, I am hoping to mandatory require verbose build by default, and optionally supporting DEB_BUILD_OPTION="silent". Regards, Dmitrijs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/canbhlujxxzznj6tbmwvosrgra4jbdaa2oxtqi6futyf7t7z...@mail.gmail.com