On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 02:46:13PM -0500, Maas Verri wrote: > Proposal: SystemD pushers/forcers be physically beaten as revenge.
This is, of course, absolutely intolerable. Regardless of how strongly you might feel about any technical issue within Debian, resorting to threats of any kind of violence is unacceptable. In any sensible jurisdiction it's not a question of good taste versus bad taste, or freedom of speech versus censorship: threats of violence are unambiguously illegal. It is possible that "Maas Verri" is trolling, and does not intend the threats to be taken seriously. It doesn't matter. They are just as unacceptable. Normally, I ignore trolls when I can, or attempt to deal with them by getting listmasters involved, out of the public eye. Trolls crave attention, and responding in public is giving them what they want. However, sometimes the transgressions are too severe to be ignored, and thus I'll climb on my soap box to declare that this is one of those cases. This is NOT OK. Anybody who thinks threats, or insults, or defamation, is a good way to express their disappointment or disagreement is wrong. They should step away from the computer until they have calmed down enough to be courteous and constructive. We have, in Debian, debated the question of what init system to use for over two years now. When I describe it as a vigorous debate, I'm attempting to use the under-statement that my current tea-loving country of residence is famous for. The debate has consumed a lot of time, energy, and goodwill. Emotions are still running high, nerves are still raw and exposed, and this means that a lot of people react more forcefully than they otherwise would. Everyone needs to take this into account. Try hard not to annoy others, and if you're annoyed, try hard to get past that before responding to anyone about anything. This is for all topics, not just the init system. It's clear to me that we are, as a group, much more irritable about everything and less trusting of each other than we were a year ago. We've had the technical committee make a decision. It might still be overturned by a General Resolution, but it's not too early to start re-building the trust between Debian contributors. We have to trust each other to have good intentions, even if we sometimes disagree with each other about what are sensible goals to aim for, or the methods of achieving the goals. Once the decision is made, those who didn't like the chosen solution need to deal with the fact that they lost the quarrel. Holding grudges, keeping the fight alive, or otherwise not accepting the decision is only making things worse. It'll make it harder to continue to collaborate on Debian in the future. It'll make it harder to achieve peace and emotional and mental balance. It'll make it harder to have fun. We, the Debian project, can't let that happen. Fun is serious business for us: without it we can't get anything much done. Some concrete things all of us can do to make this better: * Stop discussing init systems. No, really. Everything's been said already, probably many, many times. Anything you say is likely to irritate or anger someone. There will be a time when init systems are a safe topic to discuss again, but it'll take a while. * Go meet other Debian contributors in person, be it at Debconf 14, a Debian sprint, a user group, or an unrelated event where some of happen to be. If necessary, organise something. Have tea, beer, or food with them, or just chat about anything except init systems. Wear a t-shirt saying "I don't want to talk about Debian and init systems, but I'm interested in backups". * Remember what made Debian fun for you, and do that for a while. Fix a bug. Upload a new version of a package. Write a missing manual page. Translate a web page. Design a new theme for a Debian desktop. Teach someone to make packages. * Find your local Finnish community gathering and achieve a high-score in the https://wiki.debian.org/HugAFinn game. The person with the highest score between now and the time the last talk at Debconf 14 wins. (Some of the above suggestions are not entirely serious.) -- http://www.cafepress.com/trunktees -- geeky funny T-shirts http://gtdfh.branchable.com/ -- GTD for hackers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140211213411.GU5029@holywood