Le mercredi, 12 mars 2014, 12.58:51 Ian Jackson a écrit : > Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes ("Re: jquery debate with upstream"): > > I disagree: I don't think it's tolerable to ship a .exe freeware [0] > > in a source package in main, just because it happens to be > > redistributable; in my reading, considering that the "source > > package" _is_ a component of the Debian system, doing so violates > > at least SC§1 and DFSG§2. I don't think there should be a > > standards' difference between our source and binary packages. > > I have a completely different approach to the DFSG. The DFSG is not > carefully drafted document and it doesn't stand up to detailed > legalistic interpretation. Rather, it is a statement of aims and > values.
My intent was not to draw a legalistic line, I was merely explaining what my (current) interpretation of these aims and values are with regards to shipping non-free binaries in source packages in main. > That purpose is to improve the freedom of software users (and to an > extent developers) by providing an operating system which they can > (individually and collectively) examine, modify and share. > > If an interpretation of the DFSG suggests that we should be doing work > which does not further those objectives, then I think that > interpretation is a misreading. SC§1 states that we want Debian to remain 100% free; the common interpretation of that is that one can download anything from Debian main and only get DFSG-free material; I think our sources are held to the same expectation. In fact, we _are_ shipping source and binary packages in the exact same way through our mirrors network. Now, granted, making Debian 100% free is not improving the freedom of software users if they don't use these non-free parts (and having them in the source packages only is certainly a blocker), but I strongly feel that weakening our promise to only address binary packages for the sake of practicability is certainly not worth the practical benefit. > No-one has come up with any practical benefit from the repacking of > source tarballs to remove nonfree files. There's no practical benefit, granted, but doing so is a service to our users and a continued statement that we hold ourselves to high standards with regards to software freedom. > The requirement to be sure that these nonfree files aren't unwittingly > relied on by our build processes could be easily achieved by removing > them in clean targets, filtering in dpkg-source, or whatever. I think that, given proper tools, the explicit work of making sure that some non-free files are not used in the build process is equivalent to making sure they are not present in the source package. > If we are worried that users might be misled about the status of these > files, filtering them out in dpkg-source would suffice. That would protect sources.debian.net from publishing these indeed. I still disagree it's sufficient though. > The result would be that the only people who saw them would be people > who are using our archive as a convenient location to fetch the > upstream tarball. I would argue that everyone's freedom is served, > rather than hindered, by having those people come to us for that (as > it is in a similar way for the nonfree archive sections). … besides main is not the non-free archive section. At the risk of repeating myself: I value our promise that Debian will remain 100% free and I want that promise to include our source archives because access to sourcecode is what free software is all about. I'd be saddened by a decision to exempt the source archives from that freeness requirement. Cheers, OdyX P.S. There's no need to CC me, as I can't CC you in return and am subscribed to the list…
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