On 03/06/14 23:10, Holger Levsen wrote: > thanks for taking this to the list and for doing some further investigations. > That's quite among the best possible outcomes of that blog post of mine ;-)
Just wait until the press get hold of it... > piuparts has not gotten this far with testing yet (other depends of these > packages are probably in the failed testing state), but I have added those to > my list. I didn't realise piuparts was such a slow-running batch job; I'd imagined it as something that tests new packages in real-time like lintian, or dependency sets of the whole archive within minutes like dose/edos-debcheck. > as well as ltsp-server-standalone which piuparts.d.o just found now also > depending on systemd-sysv It's good to learn something new every day - here's how to watch APT follow dependencies: apt-get -o Debug::pkgDepCache::AutoInstall=1 \ --no-install-recommends install ltsp-server-standalone It would seem to be due to gnome-session, but there are OR'd dependencies on other providers of x-session-manager such as xfce4-session. So this actually works in sid, without needing systemd or systemd-sysv: apt-get --no-install-recommends \ install ltsp-server-standalone xfce4-session >> kde-baseapps kde-runtime kde-workspace plasma-desktop >> [I think that's all of task-kde-desktop except for udisks2] >> >> Most notably installable without any systemd packages: >> >> xfce4 task-xfce-desktop > > those indeed aren't on my list, but "xfswitch-plugin" is, and that is part of > XFCE which is why stated what I staed. >> If you agree, could you pretty-please amend the false statement in your >> blog post to at least mention XFCE does not depend on systemd? I didn't think you'd be telling lies on purpose, but let's not overstate the extent of systemd's tentacles yet. > well, to me the current question here is how much is "xfswitch-plugin" > essential part of XFCE? It's only optional. It's a Suggests: of package xfce4-goodies, and that is a Recommends: of xfce4. This is why I was able to `apt-get install --no-install-recommends` either xfce4 or task-xfce-desktop To check there were no systemd dependencies, I had systemd-must-die metapackage installed and held ;) It's actually very useful for this: apt-get exits with status 100 if there's a dependency conflict, so I was able to test a batch of packages very easily. That's a rather strict interpretation of systemd dependency (I've seen Simon's comment that use of some systemd libs doesn't always mean they're needed/used). > Oh, and systemd-sysv should me made essential soon or sysvinit-core should be > made non-essential (or whatever the next steps are to implement the decision > from #727708) ASAP - because there will be this freeze in 5 months... Yeah I expect it will be an uphill struggle to keep many packages installable without systemd. I hope there will be still soem bits left though. And I think think all this analysis is useful information and not a completely pointless exercise. Regards, -- Steven Chamberlain ste...@pyro.eu.org
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