On 19 November 2014 16:12, Gunnar Wolf <gw...@gwolf.org> wrote: > Before anything else, Michal: Please remember Debian is a > volunteer-run project. It is sometimes tempting to reply mails in a > haste and making ironic remarks to drive your points further. But > mails such as this one are not welcome in Debian. Please assume good > faith, and treat everybody with respect.
Note that the ironic remark about my system saying Ubuntu in the release was after a few mails about the init systems failing in qemu with freshly bootstrapped system. I would prefer that people read what they reply to. I admit that getting carried away and continuing with more ironic remarks is not constructive, either. Sorry. > > Michal Suchanek dijo [Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 09:34:22AM +0100]: >> Sure, it's always user error when something fails. Systems upgraded >> from Ubuntu are not supported, systems upgraded from Debian are not >> supported, nor are systems freshly bootstrapped and booted inside >> qemu. Because all these fail. > > Upgrading from Ubuntu to Debian is not supported. The two > distributions share a lot, but differ also a lot, and there will be > cruft left that can get in the way for anything repeatable. Having > repeatable results is key for bug resolution. > > Ubuntu has several package versions which have never been in a Debian > Stable release. Upgrades are only supported from Debian - Be it from a > stable to a newer stable release, or between points in time in testing > and unstable. We have strict policies to ensure version madness will > not bite us, but we cannot cover the range of combinations that will > bite you if you sidegrade from Ubuntu — Or from any other derived > distribution. > >> However, I had this biased personal opinion that the goal of the >> Debian project should to remove Debian bugs on systems that do run >> Debian. Please corect me if this is too disconnected from reality. > > You are right. But we can only do so in a way that is connected to > what the policies dictate. We can only do so while keeping sanity. If, > for example, you run this script: > > for i in $(find /usr/lib) > do > echo FOO >> $i if $RANDOM > 25000 > done > > I can assure you nobody will attempt to support your system.¹ If the > user breaks it beyond what we can provide and support, we cannot > support it. > > Again: There are only so many resources available in a volunteer > project. Of course, you can provide the funding for somebody to get in > your computer and fix the breakage. But Debian does not support such a > use case. > > ¹ Yes, such trivial modifications can be detectable, and we could tell > you to reinstall the affected packages, and.... But I guess you get > my point! I have no Ubuntu packages in my system but the release string remains. I did not request that the string be corrected exactly because there is no reason it should. Thanks Michal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caomqctrxiuxqso0ooj5rfidiyptq8psv2jsnrsprxrbuz74...@mail.gmail.com