Hello, In the (last) hope that the CTTE will bring this issue on the agenda next meeting on December 4. Additional information below and a short summary.
On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 09:56 +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote: > > > (another partial? solution is to change order of the (pre-)depends of > > the init package, as proposed in > > No, that breaks due to the bug in debootstrap’s dependency “resolver” > (see #557322, #668001, #768062) and the unwillingness of KiBi to fix > that. That is, it breaks fresh installs. Note, this (long-time) refusal to make changes to that package has to be weighted in when the CTTE is discussing this issue: There are very small patches available before the freeze Wed, 5 Nov 2014 (Sun, 22 Nov 2009 and Fri, 17 Oct 2014) that has not been addressed by the maintainer: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=557322#24 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=668001#20 and reported working https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=668001#50 And according to https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=762194 with preliminary results in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=762194#142 the order of pre-depends for int init package should change from Pre-Depends: systemd-sysv | sysvinit-core | upstart to Pre-Depends: sysvinit-core | systemd-sysv | upstart (I hope I made the correct links and conclusions) > > 1) Heavily advertise (release-notes?) that doing an upgrade from > > wheezy/etc to jessie will give you systemd as init system and inform > > about the apt pinning solution. > > That should be a given, a minimum, independent of the others. I'll file a bug against release notes about the release-notes! In summary: a) Upgrades should _not_ change init: whatever is installed should be kept. b) New installs should get systemd-sysv as default init with a debconf message about alternative init systems. More detailed: 1) Fix debootstrap bugs 2) Add a (non-aborting) debconf message referring to release-notes on how to install sysvinit-core when installing from scratch. 3) Add information in release-notes on how to: - Upgrade from stable/testing/sid to jessie to avoid getting systemd-sysv installed (this should not strictly be needed if the ctte chooses to decide that upgrades will _not_ switch init) - Install sysvinit-core after installation and reboot after getting systemd-sysv as default. 3.1) I'll file a bug against release-notes as written above. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1417175791.11764.416.ca...@g3620.my.own.domain
