On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 01:01:12PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Wouter Verhelst <wou...@debian.org> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 03:02:51PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > The default should be safe. > > No. > > The default should be as safe as we can make it without becoming > inconvenient. > > As long as we still support non-logind configurations (and I believe > we > still do at this point), having the first user added to several groups > will still be necessary, otherwise non-logind configurations will not > have working audio, and that is inconvenience. > > We don’t support non-logind configurations. > We support non-systemd-as-pid-1 configurations, but they still run > logind through systemd-shim.
Eh? Sound does work without systemd, not only alsa but also pulseaudio. The latter has no dependencies other than Recommends:rtkit -> Recommends:policykit-1 to give it realtime scheduling priority (no connection with ACLs). > In both cases (systemd-sysv or systemd-shim), ACLs should be correctly > set for the current user. > > This “adduser first-user audio” was already useless in squeeze and it > hasn’t changed. Only if you run logind or consolekit. Without them (ie, on headless boxes or with classic-type WMs) you do need to access the devices which are mode 660 root:audio. -- // If you believe in so-called "intellectual property", please immediately // cease using counterfeit alphabets. Instead, contact the nearest temple // of Amon, whose priests will provide you with scribal services for all // your writing needs, for Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory prices. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141203125557.ga7...@angband.pl