On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Adam Borowski <kilob...@angband.pl> wrote: > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 01:17:08PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: >> On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 12:10 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: >> > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 11:39:06AM +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote: >> > > Login in Gnome once, activate wifi and ask that the connection should be >> > > used by >> > > all users. >> > > Then NM will save the password some were so that it connect without user >> > > login. >> > Right... so you say non-Gnome users should keep a Gnome installation just >> > to >> > enter the wifi password, and log out+log in to Gnome whenever they visit a >> > new place (which on a laptop means, quite often) then log out+log in back >> > to >> > their regular environment? I think I'll pass. >> [...] >> >> You already have passed. Please stop spreading FUD about a program you >> don't use and don't really know the state of. > > The original report from Britton Kerin doesn't look like FUD, what Vincent > Bernat just confirmed and diagnosed: that the password UI is currently broken. > Thus, I think my recommendation of trying wicd was helpful. > > Unlike network admins I work with (and who foam on the mouths at the words > Network-Manager) I see it does have its uses: it can do a lot more than > wicd. Instead of just wifi like wicd, it can do pppoe and a bunch of simple > VPN setups. > > It also gets improvements. For example, all the years until and including > jessie, it kept dropping configuration from usb0 interfaces every 30 seconds > or so, even when explicitely told to leave it alone (the interface remained > up but NM kept removing all IP addresses, etc). It took a while but this > bug is finally fixed. > > But it's not without problems. The one Britton met is that NM's interface > is closely married to Gnome. Yes, you can use nm-cli but it's nowhere near > pretty, so on a laptop or a phone you want a GUI. Wicd's GUI works, NM's > does not (at least currently or without extra messing). > > The second is, NM interferes with any complex setup. In newer versions, you > can now semi-reliable tell it to stay away from your interfaces, but then, > if you disable it on all interfaces, why do you even have it installed? > > That's not an exhaustive list, I indeed hardly ever deal with setups that > would benefit from NM so I rarely look at it. > > But, how is mentioning an alternative and/or recommending to try one FUD? > > > Meow! > -- > An imaginary friend squared is a real enemy. >
It is worth remembering that network manager depends indirectly on systemd - not all of us have systemd installed. And not all of us know (or knew in this case) the invocation to bring up the wifi connection. -- darkestkhan ------------------------------------------ Feel free to CC me. jid: darkestk...@gmail.com May The Source be with You.