Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: |Steffen Nurpmeso writes ("Re: Rant about Debian reproducibility environment"\ |): |> But despite that and the possibly correct observation that placing |> just about any environmental info in any non-system-dependent |> object you can close the issue that is my rant, but will not get |> away from the fact that you cannot expect exactly identical binary |> outcome on two different build hosts, unless the actual build |> environment is the same to the detail. | |This is true. But it is why the folks promoting reproducible builds |have made tools which can reproduce the build environment. | |I think your implication is that the reproducibility is theoretical |and therefore not useful. I appreciate why you might think that, but |the reproducibile builds folks have made it practically possible, so |it's not true.
While a bit off-topic, in November 2017 i shortly thought about jumping over the big package maintainer hurdle of Debian and installed it (the only Debian i ever had was 3.0 "Woody"). I have used netinstall, and unselected all possible checkboxes (no X11, no cups, the rest if have forgotten). This resulted in i think one and a half gigabytes of download. I even had LibreOffice, which i never had around until then. (It was of course _completely_ unusable here, even opening a menu required half a minute.) Now i know how it looks! I had to shutdown the VM hard, because i was unable to find a button or way to open a console or at least command line input window. (And i became frustrated because moving around the cursor was _so_ slow, i think every move caused swapping or something.) Ciao, --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)