On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 10:51:56PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > Thus, what would you guys say about a new distribution, "scratch"? It would > be a kind of extra-experimental that doesn't put its build results anywhere > persistent. Throwing away built .debs would be ok, keeping just logs.
I think this is inconvenient as well. As a developer, one has to wait and check the logs, then do the real upload. Wouldn't it be much better if a good build with no lintian errors, no autopkgtest failures, no piuparts failures, etc. would just move to unstable without a delay? Wait, this reminds me of something. There was this other distribution... Ubuntu! They have this ${dist}-proposed. I think we've been discussing this since at least 2013[1] (like bikesheds). Unlike the ${dist}-proposed variant, the scratch distribution can be set up entirely outside Debian. It only needs someone doing the work with no involvement of DSA. Wait, this reminds me of something. Luca Falavigna put up debomatic-${arch}.debian.net. And it has piuparts and lintian! Looks like we already have scratch for years and nobody noticed. I guess what we need now is something different: We've got lots of tools and lots of tool diversity. Different people know different tools, some of which solve the same tasks. A recent discussion on debhelper has indicated that our tool diversity has a cost that not everyone is willing to pay. As much was need diverse people in the project, we also need to figure out how to reduce this tool diversity. Helmut [1] http://penta.debconf.org/dc13_schedule/events/1028.en.html