Regards Paul -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: Disabling automatic upgrades on Sid by default? Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 08:17:18 +0000 From: Paul Sutton <paulsut...@disroot.org> To: Leandro Cunha <leandrocunha...@gmail.com> On 27/12/2020 06:13, Leandro Cunha wrote:
Em dom., 27 de dez. de 2020 às 03:02, M. Zhou <lu...@debian.org <mailto:lu...@debian.org>> escreveu:Hi folks, I don't quite understand the meaning of automatic upgrades on a rolling system such as Debian/Sid. According to my own experience, such automatic upgrades could be dangerous. Recently package ppp is pending for upgrade but it does not co-exist with my currently installed network-manager. Today when I was shutting down my machine, Gnome automatically checked the "install updates ..." box for me before I realized its existence. As a result, the system reboots and installed ppp by force, removing network-manager and break my system for daily use as I need network-manager for wifi-access. I've been a daily Sid user for at least 4 years. Automatic upgrades are to blame for nearly all my system troubles. And I feel very disappointed every time linux behaves like M$ windows. So, do we have a consensus on whether automatic upgrades should be enabled by default?
I am not an admin or very experienced user, despite using Linux for years, I think it should be up to users to run the actual update, however would a 'compromise' be some way of notifying a user that updates are available, Mint for example does this, you just click on the shield icon and go to the update tool.
Find a balance to allow more experienced users / admins to have that control and new users to help them update when needed. Make it clear why this is a feature to avoid problems. People coming from the MS Windows world where this just 'happens' but will also be aware that just starting up / shutting down windows sometimes results in the updates delaying the process.
Regards Paul
Hi,Although you can disable this, I usually update and do most things via the commandterminal.Using testing I run apt daily. I like to know what is being updated in the system.-- Cheers, Leandro Cunha Debian Contributor and developer.
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