On Wed, Jun 10, 1998 at 03:19:00PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: > > > a) 5 cd set : source, misc, and 3 binary cds. > > misc + binary will be enought for every architecture, so > > distributors can sell cd sets of 2 cds (or 3 with source). > > b) 4 cd set : highly integrated. > > it will not be possible to split the m68k or alpha part of, > > but this will save us one cdrom. > > I tend to favor the "highly integrated multi cd" solution. Reasons:
I tend to prefer the 5 cd set exaclty for reasons you gave here :) > - Most of the overhead for cd vendors goes into things like order > registration, postage and packing. The cost of a couple of silver discs > is quite negligable. You can put up to 6 cd's in a single jewelbox. So why don't put 5 disk that are better organized? After all 5 is only 4 + 1. > - The amount of debian-{alpha,mk68,sparc,mips,arm,what-next}-only cd sets > that vendors expect to ship will probably not be high at this moment. > This might cause them to not ship the other architectures or put a much > higher price tag on those cd sets. Even if the alternative sets are > made by the ftp.cdrom.coms, Infomagics and whoever else forwards > their stuff into the retail channels, the cd sets still have to make it > to the individual "main street" pc- and bookshop's shelfs. With the 5 cd set they can choose. And smaller redistributors that simply burn gold cds (as I do in italy, just 20 to 40 cds) can choose to exclude a couple of them the from the distribution. > - Clearly showing support for many architectures is good Debian exposure. And having 1 cd for every arch is much better (someone can think that other archs are not well done if you mix things on multiple cd). > - If I had a cd with Debian on it for an architecture that I don't > have at home, but of which I knew that there is such a machine at work > or school or whereever I can get to it, I will attempt to convince the > owner/administrator to try Debian. True. I will buy the 5cd set. > <MODE start-rant-away-into-the-blue> > > Instead of the two-cd's-without-source, I'd rather see a special > lightweight _single_ Debian cd for i386 that carries: > > - Ten different alternative kernels to boot off, suiting various hardware > needs. This would be a big improvement over the current situation, > where people complain that RedHat/Slackware's floppy does boot and > Debian's does not. > > - Only small parts of the main distribution and full source of the > included binaries. The devel stuff needed to rebuild all those sources > should be included in the binary part of course. Kernel source should > also be included. > > - A decent on-line documentation tree that can be read with a webbrowser > on a Windoze computer before actually attempting to install Debian. > > - A tiny live-filesystem on the cd, think of no more than 50 to 100 > megabytes. > > - Has to be just enough to have a "skinny standard" linux running, to > show your friends (or yourself) that it runs on your pc before going > ahead and take repartitioning any harddisks. > A small step before the big leap. > > - Uses ramdisks to mount / and eg. /home on or alternatively: > * Can use parts of a dos filesystem to put umsdos filesystems on. > A dos filesystem can also hold a swapfile. > * Can also be installed entirely to a umsdos filesystem on your > dos filesystem. > The latter options would make it possible to try it a couple of times, > keeping basic network setup and other required configuration like > modules and passwords stored. > > - Provides an excellent base system for installation! It has mc, emacs, > vi, ae, gcc, lynx, useful network clients and, depending on the size > that's available, a small webserver. Everybody can find his/her > favorite "essentials" on it. > > - Is also the ultimate rescue disk. > > A cd like this, with approximately 250 meg binaries, 250 meg sources, 40 > meg documentation, 10 meg kernels and a 100 meg live filesystem would > make an excellent "cover cd" for computer magazines. > > Any takers? I'd love to work with some people on a little project to have > this working for 2.1. Mmmhh. I am woking on that. What I dream is a bootable/livefs cdrom that lets you play a little bit with linux and then guides you through the installation process from the hd (re)partinioning to the X11 configuration. Anyone knows about a FAT32 defrag program that runs under linux? Anyone ever tried to compile FIPS under linux? Ideas? --*********************************************************************** * Federico DI Gregorio ** GCS/S/>L d- s:>:+ a26 C++ UL++ P+++ L*+++>$ D * * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ** W+>++ N+ o? !K w--->!$ O M- V-- PS+(+++) PE(--) * Debian Developer ** Y+(-)(+)(-)... PGP+ s+ 5- X+++ R*<+(+++) b+++ * * ** DI++ D---- G- e+++>++++ h--- r++ z++ * ************************************************************************* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]