reassign 548661 general
thanks

On Mon, 28 Sep 2009, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> reopen 548661
> thanks

Please don't play ping-pong with bugs. Start a discussion on -devel if you
want to get input on how to properly solve your problem, but it's far from
being a reasonable wishlist request for dpkg at this point.

> But as seen in bug#542095, some dependencies are not really hard, yet
> you don't want them to be "recommends" because that would be too easy
> for users to ignore.  So bug#542095 shows that there is a need for
> something between "recommends" and true dependencies that can only be
> ignored if the user very specifically requests to ignore this precise
> dependency (I already ignore all recommends).

I don't agree that we need something in between. You decide what you want
to install. the gnome meta-packages doesn't correspond to what you want?
don't install it and install the various components by hand or create an
alternative meta-package.

You come up with this request only because Josselin Mouette doesn't
want to drop network-manager to a Recommends or put an alternative in
place. The solution exists but because the maintainer doesn't want to
implement it, you request a third way to respond to your need under
control of the user. How is that reasonable ?

> Do you find my request unreasonable?

Currently, yes.

>  What alternative solution do you
> propose if I want to both have wicd and gnome installed?  Or if my
> system is memory constrained and I want xserver-xorg installed but
> not hal? Or ...?

gnome is not required at all, it's only a meta-package, don't install it
but install manually all the other dependencies.

For the xserver, talk to the X maintainers or use a lighter distribution.

> > Improvements for handling meta-packages are possible but it's all in the
> > realm of apt and co, not dpkg.
> 
> Then please reassign the bug-report accordingly rather than closing it.

I reassign it to general, I can't reassign it anywhere else because there's
absolutely nothing to implement yet... and I doubt you can come up with a
sane design to respond to your wishes.

Cheers,
-- 
Raphaƫl Hertzog




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