There is more. A casual look around the legal landscape also uncovers this law in Brazil: https://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/_ato2023-2026/2025/Lei/L15211.htm and France also has some related laws: https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/jorf/id/JORFTEXT000045287677
IANAL, but IMHO the requirements from Debian/Ubuntu side *could* be fulfilled if there is a package implementing the requested functionality (setting of age/birth year for specific accounts and then communicating relevant age brackets to the app requesting that). That package would be "part of" the operating system, even if the installer chooses not to download full installation images or chooses not to install ALL available Debian packages. As long as the installation and configuration is easy enough to do for a concerned parent from packages *in the main package archive*, then it could be argued that compliance is provided. In the end it is up to the admin/installer of the device to configure it correctly for the users. This also solves the privacy concerns as the admin of the system opts in to using these restrictions explicitly when adding age setting to the new user accounts. Also privacy laws typically are expected to step aside to the explicit requirements of other laws to function. So if a child protection law says that the age bracket of the child *must* be provided/transmitted, then privacy law can not forbid doing so (unless stated in that law explicitly). Naturally this API needs to be agreed on on a cross-distribution layer, for example in the Freedesktop.org context. However, these questions are IMHO more important in contexts where there is already a large exposure to system users in the affected age brackets and also in the affected jurisdictions. And that is why I added the Debian-Edu mailing list to the CC here. A typical school-wide Debian Edu installation would have thousands of accounts for individual children attending the school, they'd be in different age brackets and they'd graduate from one bracket to the next really often. Too often for manual actions at those stages to be viable. Additionally, if there is an actual policy attention to Debian installation in the context of such laws, then installations in schools are likely to be among the first to be looked at. With the above in mind, thinking technically, IMHO the correct way would be to have a field for date of birth for user accounts (potentially shortened down to MM-YYYY or YYYY) and an API that (on request) reads that value, reads the pre-configured jurisdiction (or jurisdiction configuration) and returns the age bracket value. Keep in mind that this date of birth information may already be coming into the system from LDAP, MS Active Directory or similar external account management systems. It *might* be acceptable to have the API only work if users are authenticated via a supported account management system with a defined dateOfBirth attribute, but then distributions should really provide an easy way for a parent to be able to set up and maintain such a system locally. So a question to Debian EDU developers - are you aware of the age-reporting laws and maybe of the work already in progress to address the concerns these laws raise? On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 at 20:48, Aaron Rainbolt <[email protected]> wrote: > Given that this is related to legal stuff, I should preface this by > saying I am not a lawyer. > > Recently, a new law was passed in California that requires OS vendors > to provide some limited info about a user's age via an API that > application distribution websites and application stores can use. [1] > Colorado seems to be working on a similar law. [2] The law will go into > effect January 1, 2027, it is no longer a draft. I do quite a bit of > work with an OS vendor (working with the Kicksecure [3] and Whonix [4] > projects), and we aren't particularly interested in blocking everyone > in California and Colorado from using our OSes, so we're currently > looking into how to implement an API that will comply with the laws > while also not being a privacy disaster. Given that other distributions > are also investigating what to do with this, and the law requires us to > make a "good faith effort to comply with [the] title, taking into > consideration available technology", I figured it would be a good idea > to bring the issue here. > > At its core, the law seems to require that an "operating system" > (I'm guessing this would correspond to a Linux distribution, not an OS > kernel or userland) request the user's age or date of birth at "account > setup". The OS is also expected to allow users to set the user's age if > they didn't already provide it (because the OS was installed before the > law went into effect), and it needs to provide an API somewhere so that > app stores and application distribution websites can ask the OS "what > age bracket does this user fall into?" Four age brackets are defined, > "< 13", ">= 13 and < 16", ">= 16 and < 18", and ">= 18". It looks like > the API also needs to not provide more information than just the age > bracket data. A bunch of stuff is left unclear (how to handle servers > and other CLI-only installs, how to handle VMs, whether the law is even > applicable if the primary user is over 18 since the law ridiculously > defines a user as "a child" while also defining "a child" as anyone > under the age of 18, etc.), but that's what we're given to deal with. > > The most intuitive place to put this functionality would be, IMO, > AccountsService. The main issue with that is that stable-release > distributions, and distributions based upon them, would be faced with > the issue of how to get an updated version of AccountsService integrated > into their software repositories, or how to backport the appropriate > code. The law goes into effect on January 1, 2027, Debian Bookworm is > going to be supported by ELTS until July 30, 2033, and we don't yet > know if Debian will care enough about California's laws to want to > backport a new feature in AccountsService into Debian Bookworm (or even > Trixie). Distributions based on Debian (such as Kicksecure and Whonix) > may still want to comply with the law though, so something using > AccountsService-specific APIs would be frustrating. Requiring a whole > separate daemon for the foreseeable future just for an age verification > API would also be annoying. > > Another place the functionality could go is xdg-desktop-portal. This > one is a bit non-ideal for a couple of reasons; for one, the easiest > place to put the call would be in the Account portal, which returns > more information than the account's age bracket. This could potentially > be considered non-compliant with the law, as it states that the > operating system shall "[s]end only the minimum amount of information > necessary to comply with this title". This also comes with the > backporting disadvantages of an AccountsService-based implementation. > > For this reason, I'd like to propose a "hybrid" approach; introduce a > new standard D-Bus interface, `org.freedesktop.AgeVerification1`, that > can be implemented by arbitrary applications as a distro sees fit. > AccountsService could implement this API so that newer versions > of distros will get the relevant features for free, while distros with > an AccountsService too old to contain the feature can implement it > themselves as a stop-gap solution. > > Taking inspiration from the File Manager D-Bus interface [5], I think > something like the following might work: > > <!DOCTYPE node PUBLIC "-//freedesktop//DTD D-BUS Object Introspection > 1.0//EN" > "http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/dbus/1.0/introspect.dtd";> > <node name="/org/freedesktop/AgeVerification1"> > <interface name="org.freedesktop.AgeVerification1"> > <method name="SetAge"> > <arg type="s" name="User" direction="in"/> > <arg type="u" name="YearsOfAge" direction="in"/> > </method> > <method name="SetDateOfBirth"> > <arg type="s" name="User" direction="in"/> > <arg type="s" name="Date" direction="in"/> > </method> > <method name='GetAgeBracket'> > <arg type="s" name="User" direction="in"/> > <arg type="u" name="AgeBracket" direction="out"/> > </method> > </interface> > </node> > > * The 'User' argument would, in all instances, be expected to be the > UNIX account username of the user in question. This user account must > not be a system account (i.e. its UID must fall between UID_MIN and > UID_MAX as defined by /etc/login.defs). If a user is specified that > does not exist or whose UID is out of range, these methods will > return the error 'org.freedesktop.AgeVerification1.Error.NoSuchUser'. > If the specified user is not the same as the user making the method > call, and the user making the method call is not root, these methods > will return the error > 'org.freedesktop.AgeVerification1.Error.PermissionDenied'. > * The 'YearsOfAge' argument of the 'SetAge' method should be an > unsigned integer specifying the age of the user in years at the time > of the method call. (The law specifically allows providing simply an > age value rather than a birth date if desired.) > * The 'Date' argument of the 'SetDateOfBirth' method should be a string > in ISO8601 format (i.e. YYYY-MM-DD) indicating the day on which the > user was born. If the argument is invalid, the method will return the > error 'org.freedesktop.AgeVerification1.Error.InvalidDate'. > * The 'AgeBracket' output argument of the 'GetAgeBracket' method will be > an unsigned integer between 1 and 4 inclusive, where 1 indicates that > the user is under 13 years old, 2 indicates that the user is at least > 13 and under 16 years old, 3 indicates that the user is at least 16 > and under 18 years old, and 4 indicates that the user is 18 years old > or older. If no age has been configured for the user yet, the method > will return the error > 'org.freedesktop.AgeVerification1.Error.AgeUndefined'. > > I propose that the exact way in which age information is stored by the > daemon should be left implementation-defined. For Kicksecure, the way > we implement it will almost certainly store only the age bracket and > require users to explicitly reconfigure their age once they are old > enough to move from one age bracket to another. Other implementations > may choose to store the date of birth or the age and date on which the > age was set so that they can automatically update the age bracket as > time passes. This interface will be provided *on the system bus* (NOT > the session bus!), and the D-Bus service that provides these services > should run as root. The file containing the user-to-age mappings should > be owned by root and should not be world-readable, to prevent leaking > the user's specific age to malicious applications. > > Some things I did think about when writing the above but ultimately > decided to not propose: > > * Detailed permission gating for the 'GetAgeBracket' method. The only > reason to do this would be for additional privacy, and > privacy-conscious users can simply lie about their age or the age of > the intended user. There isn't anything in the law (that I can tell) > that prevents the user from just saying "I'm 18" when the prompt > appears and going with it. This would also be really difficult to > implement outside of the context of xdg-desktop-portal, and would > probably only work with sandboxed apps if it was implemented that way. > * UX for actually requesting the age from the user. IMO this is out of > scope for FreeDesktop; individual distros should see to it that they > prompt for the user's age or birth date at "account setup" (whatever > that happens to be defined as for the distro in question), nudge the > user to provide the information later on for existing installations, > etc. Furthermore, this mechanism needs to work even on CLI-only > installs and maybe even on server installs, depending on how one > defines "general purpose computing device" (as specified by the law > in question), so defining any specific UX is likely infeasible. (If > this is required on servers, end-users will probably want to > auto-provision the age information somehow, and specifying how to do > that in a distribution-agnostic way is impossible given that Ubuntu > uses cloud-init, Fedora uses Kickstart and Ignition, etc.) > * Omitting the 'SetDateOfBirth' method. It can be lived without > legally, but without the method, it becomes difficult for software > that already records the user's date of birth to accurately implement > automatic age bracket adjustment as time passes. This isn't a feature > Kicksecure would use, but it's a feature some projects might be > interested in. > > Thanks for taking a look at this. > > -- > Aaron > > [1] > https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202520260AB1043 > [2] https://leg.colorado.gov/bill_files/110990/download > [3] https://www.kicksecure.com/ > [4] https://www.whonix.org/ > [5] > https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/file-manager-interface/ > -- > ubuntu-devel mailing list > [email protected] > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel > -- Best regards, Aigars Mahinovs
