Hello Neil, Wookey, Thanks for you comments - they helped me.
I'm sorry I'm bit late with the reply - I expected it will be copied to my original email, as well? > On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 16:20:55 +0400 > Sergei Poselenov <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > I have a question regarding the use of the emdebian-tools in the native > > build environment. > > There's no point in using emdebian-tools natively. Just use > dpkg-buildpackage as normal and then post-process using emgrip if > necessary. Alternatively, if you want the busybox based system without > perl, you should use the existing packages from Crush as source > packages for your own native builds so that you get the patches already > applied. > Ah, I see now. Grip just repackages, not rebuilds with reduced configuraton. > > We are going to build our own PowerPC distribution (targeting a > > embedded system) based on the Emdebian package customization > > (DEB_VENDOR, etc). However, as fas I understood the Emdebian concept, > > it is a cross-build system, running on top of the standard Debian > > distribution, installed on a host. > > Crush is a cross-build, Grip is built from natively built packages. The > experiments with Crush would have bolted the Grip process onto the end > of the cross build which also allows the same process to be used for > native builds. > > > From my past experience with the cross-toolchains and cross-builds, I > > remember how painful could be a build process (used Den Kegel > > crosstool scripts to build a toolchain; libtool-based packages was the > > real problem to build in cross). > > Compared to the pain of waiting for native builds.... > > > Can I use the benefits of the native PowerPC build system > > (emdebian-tools, right?) > > emdebian-tools only worked for Lenny and only for a small number of > packages - many of which only cross-build at the versions that were in > Lenny. If you try a rebuild from the Emdebian Crush source packages, > you will get the original Lenny versions, not the updated ones with > security fixes etc. and you will be locked into those versions forever. > Understood. > If you can live with coreutils and perl, just use Emdebian Grip. > Yes, we are planning to use coreutils and perl, but we don't want full-size packages configurations - with Xorg libraries, for example. I guess, Grip (being the only repack of Debian packages) will still have this "fat" configuration. What do you think? BTW, how can I get a list of Debian (Grip, Crush) packages for PPC? I see they seems to be here http://www.emdebian.org/grip/search.php, but hidden under sections, and only "armel" are available. Regards, Sergei > > to rebuild the Emdebian distribution (the > > target part of it) with my changes in package list, packages > > configurations, install scripts, etc? > > If you want a system without perl and coreutils, based on busybox etc., > then you are going to have to do most of that work all over again for > yourself. > > > My plan is to run the emdebian-tools on a PowerPC system (a fast > > powerpc board with NFS-mounted Debian rootfs) to produce a PowerPC > > target distribution packages. In this way I hope I'll be able to > > simplify the build of the target components. > > > > Any suggestions/comments are welcome. > > > > Regards and thanks in advance, > > Sergei > > Or just use Emdebian Grip powerpc archives as is. > > Can you use coreutils and perl or must you have busybox? > > -- > > > Neil Williams -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [email protected] Archive: http://lists.debian.org/[email protected]
