Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hurd does not exist alone in the universe, it exists alongside debian.
True. But for most people in Debian, the Hurd doesn't exist at all and they "don't feel like caring about the Hurd". That is not only my subjective impression, but also what Debian developers said in the past (and some did behave accordingly). I would love to see the Hurd people and Debian people cooperate, but like Jeroen (and others as well), I have given up any hope and don't think that Debian will ever change in the necessary ways, as we were even told by people that they are unwilling to understand the Hurd-related issues. Putting people like Jeroen who complain about these things in your killfile won't help, and even indicates that what I wrote above is true: Debian people prefer to ignore these issues. Or do you think there are no problems at all and we are just whining? I can assure you that this is not the case. And while I understand that Debian has enough problems on its own, I think that something needs to be done with respect to the Hurd port, and I feel that this would be in the interest of everyone involved. BTW, I planned to become a Debian developer a while ago, but for reasons similar to Jeroens, I have changed my opinion on that. I hope that others can keep their optimism longer than we could and will actually be able to improve Debian, but I doubt it. I rather expect that the Debian GNU/*BSD people will feel similar like most of us do right now. I hope that I'm wrong. :-/ Thanks for listening to me. Cheers, GNU/Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Jährling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> \\ http://stdio.cjb.net/ Debian GNU/Hurd user && Debian GNU/Linux user \\ http://www.gnu.org/ The Hurd Hacking Guide: http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hacking-guide/ ["We're way ahead of you here. The Hurd has always been on the ] [ cutting edge of not being good for anything." -- Roland McGrath ] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]