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>>>>> "Jeroen" == Jeroen Massar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jeroen> Don't forget that 6to4 is also a tunnel ;) Actually the most Jeroen> significant difference is that 6to4 makes an automatic Jeroen> tunnel to the remote 6to4 site, one huge problem though, you Jeroen> can't easily reach RIR space because you need an upstream Jeroen> out of 2002::/16 for that. Jeroen> Anyhow, if the 'tunnel' you mean is worse than 6to4 then I Jeroen> suggest you kick the provider of connectivity on the tunnel Jeroen> really and really hard or most likely easier change tunnel Jeroen> provider to one who does correctly take care of routing. You miss the point. If my friend Joe, down the street on the Cable Network and I are both doing IPv6, and we both have tunnels, then our traffic, which should travel literally 10s of meters, will travel 100s of km instead. If we were both using 6to4, we would, as you say, automatically tunnel between us. The reason to still have the tunnel, is just what you said: so that we can talk to 2001::/16 space. Jeroen> I suggest you take a look at for instance OCCAID who are Jeroen> doing a great job in the US and nowadays also European Jeroen> region: http://www.occaid.org. Jeroen> If you just need connectivity, and you are in Europe you are Jeroen> of course also welcome to check SixXS: http://www.sixxs.net Thanks for the pointers. - -- ] Michael Richardson Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON | firewalls [ ] mcr @ xelerance.com Now doing IPsec training, see |net architect[ ] http://www.sandelman.ca/mcr/ www.xelerance.com/training/ |device driver[ ] I'm a dad: http://www.sandelman.ca/lrmr/ [ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Finger me for keys iQCVAwUBQsGTq4qHRg3pndX9AQEIVAP8ChudWDBlMYFP7v7NAMI846cvskKTtTMf ATAuLHR2ZCJy5H7gzzR7Wll45BbH/xC/j0/wpLDRWirDoEybPlYkuc6p8QDY2gcd bJWJleRmfAauenXhqd0UFCZovSKFm2XGQNVG7VPT7EfKpy8k3/C8csVjg0aDmcpC 7UnRWMfESx8= =2a3K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]