On 7 May 2010 19:54, Lisi <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote: >> That boils down to "it's on by default". Just go turn them off. > > But I have to _look_ at them to turn them off. In KDE 3 I do not. I can turn > them off without ever having to see them. >
Yes, you do have to look at them once. >> And > >> the defaults do not have wobbly windows, wavy effects, or anything > >> shimmering. Nothing spins either, but the Alt-tab dialogue does slide. > >> There is plenty of transparency, though, and I hate that too. So I > >> turn it off. > >> > >> My mother suffers from what she calls "vertigo" and the effects do not > >> upset her. Nor do they upset the autistics that I volunteer with. They > >> are merely an annoyance to those annoyed by them, nothing wild. > > Bully for your mother and your autistics. They make me feel sick and trigger > a bad headache. > The effects do make you feel sick? The only effects you will see to get to the System Settings is the transparency. I have a lot of experience in environmentally-induced reactions (my mother, autistics, and by the way I am a trained medic though I currently do not work in the field), and I simply do not believe that transparency will cause a reaction. Nothing flashes or spins, which are the two established and recognized visual triggers. >> It works that way in KDE 4 as well, so long as you have opened them > >> from Krunner in the past. That is how I open all my applications. > > They do not. They are much more complicated than in KDE 3 and you have to > type more to be offered anything. > You are right, you must type the first three letters in KDE 4. >> > 4. Alt+F1 does not bring up the menu. > >> > >> It's Alt-F5 for the Kmenu. Has been since KDE 3 I think. > > No, it's alt+F1 in KDE 3.5.x. Alt+F5, which I also like and use a lot, > brings up a list of running windows. > Thanks, I'm a good year removed from KDE 3. In any case, you can set Alt-F1 as the Kmenu shortcut. >> > 5. Kcontrol no longer exists. > >> > >> It's called System Settings, and with the Tree menu it's very similar. > >> It is being reworked for KDE 4.5, so if you have any suggestions then > >> now is the time to make them! > > But I don't _like_ KDE 4 and I do, very much, like KDE 3. I like Kcontrol > better than those work-arounds. > That's why I'm here. I'm not trying to push you into using KDE 4. I'm trying to learn what you dislike about KDE 4 so that I can file issues and get things fixed. But I won't do that on trivial things, such as non-essential default settings. >> > etc etc. > >> > >> Tell me more! > > Why? You will only tell me that I have not got your petrmission to > dislike/miss whatever it is. > No, if you tell me about usability issues, regressions, or just plain bugs in KDE 4 I will work to resolve them. I have filed or triages over 1300 bugs in KDE, most for users and not for myself. > I have not evaded the question. I have pointed out that I prefer things that > are functional to things that are showy. You did not point out what is not functional. I am here to fix KDE 4. I am not here for philosophy. > As I stated at the beginning. As > someone else has pointed out, KDE 4 has had 2 years to become half way > bearable and has signally failed. I mourn the passing of KDE 3.5.x, which I > regard as the pinnacle of DE's. In other words, we have come full circle and > are back at the beginning. You have to learn to accept that not everyone > agrees with you. > I don't want you to agree with me. I want you to point out the problems so that I can fix them. > And, I fear that the lengths you are going to to try and persuade me that I > am wrong, even to the extent of telling me that I am only allowed to be made > ill by something that also makes your mother ill, do not strike me as > helping me. > I am not trying to persuade you to do anything other than share your KDE problems with me, so that I might get them resolved. KDE 3 holdouts are holding out because they are sensitive to the little usability issues that make a great desktop environment. I need that input so that I might get KDE 4 as great as KDE 3. I want to know what is not intuitive, and what doesn't work. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/g2x880dece01005071023wd19e98c5qf0428f633e3f7...@mail.gmail.com