Scripsit Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Anthony Towns wrote:
>> OTOH, conferences usually ask for the minimal permission they >> actually need to do their job. > Often; but they're not mutually exclusive. [At least in the academic > world, it's not all that unusual for publishers to require a > non-exclusive, unlimited copyright license to the work; The conferences I usually publish at always demand an all-out copyright _transfer_. However, in practice they will usually accept a non-exclusive license to print and distribute unmodified copies. I think it would be sad if Debconf required more than that. >> Debian distributes lots of things that aren't DFSG-free -- not only >> stuff in non-free, but also stuff on lists.debian.org (like this >> thread), stuff on bugs.debian.org, and stuff on planet.debian.org. > Those examples are primarily a case of not being able to do better and > still function; here I believe we can do better, and therefore should. I fully disagree, also with your implied assertion that wanting the author to give up more rights than necessary is "better" for the purpose of a conference. > It was merely a statement that no one is forcing anyone to license > their works in a particular manner, merely that the organizers (which > to avoid confusion, doesn't include me) of the conference determine > what the minimal set of permisions they need to do their jobs is. [Not > that you should take your ball and go home.[1] ;-)] You and Fransesco appear to want the conference organizers to require _more_ permissions than what they have already decided are the minimal set of permissions they need to do their job. And I cannot see any argument that a conference needs more permission than the right to distribute verbatim copies of the papers and presentations. > I assume that the right thing is having the works licensed under a > DFSG free license; granted, we've disagreed on numerous occasions > whether that truly is the right thing or not... How do you conclude that? The conference papers are not going to be part of an operating system that anybody depends on; nobody will have a need to go about changing them. This is a different situation from documentation of code that _is_ in the operating system. Documentation has to be kept up to date as the software it documents changes; that is important to people and businesses who have let their computing needs depend on the software. On the other hand papers at a conference just serve to document what happened at the conference, and this will never change until time machines are invented. I don't see how _anyone_ are better served by having an empty slot in the conference instead of a paper, simply because the paper is not modifiable. The valid analogy with the way we handle our OS would be to collect all papers without DFSG-free licenses in separate sessions at the conference, not to kick them out of it completely. But I honestly cannot see who that would help: The distinction between main and non-free in the OS serves to help people make decisions about which software to base their systems on, but who would make decisions about which presentation to _hear_ based on whether the _paper_ can be modified? -- Henning Makholm "Ambiguous cases are defined as those for which the compiler being used finds a legitimate interpretation which is different from that which the user had in mind." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]