Another dose of pain to plonked Miller and other FSF's lackeys (kudos to Wallace for calling the bluff)...
On 1/27/06, Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey plonked Miller, breaking news... > > On 1/27/06, Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 1/27/06, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 1/27/06, Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > What argument? > > > > > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/01/msg00475.html > > > > Edwards has already explained it to you. A "question of law" is > > addressed by "likelihood of success on that portion breach of contract > > claim that concerns its trademark" (with another portion being breach > > of the GPL), by "cure the breach" (one just can't "cure" a copyright > > violation), by not applying ("In any event, even if MySQL has shown a > > likelihood of success on these points...") the copyright standard with > > presumption of irreparable harm (and using contract standard instead), > > and etc. > > Wallace v FSF. REPLY BRIEF IN SUPPORT OF REASSERTED MOTION > TO DISMISS: > > <quote> > > Plaintiff's mischaracterization of the GPL in his Response has no > bearing on the resolution of the pending Motion to Dismiss because the > Court can examine the GPL itself. "[T]o the extent that the terms of > an attached contract conflict with the allegations of the complaint, > the contract controls." > > </quote> Reactions to that latest FSF' piece of impeccable lawyering: ---- Re: FSF says that the contract controls by: day5done The lawyers for the FSF must'a been smokin' the good stuff from Merkey's stash. Everyone who is neither blind nor an idiot knows for certain that the GPL is a *LICENSE NOT A CONTRACT* -- Richard Stallman has clarified that fact at least a hundred times. Dollar to a dime Eben Moglen fires the lame asses over at the ICE MILLER law firm real soon. ---- ----- GPL Hollaaring by: walter_oak_night ICE on automatic aggregation of software copyrights In fact, the GPL itself rejects any automatic aggregation of software copyrights under the GPL simply because one program licensed under the GPL is distributed together with another program that is not licensed under the GPL: "In addition, mere aggregation of another work not based on the Program with the Program (or with a work based on the Program) on a volume of a storage or distribution medium does not bring the other work under the scope of this License." Linux kernel v. application And as the copyright notice in the kernel sources says, user applications are not subject to the GPL. Supported by Hollaar: With dynamically-linked libraries, the application program being distributed is no longer a compilation that includes the library. Because the library is not being distributed with the application program, no permission is needed from the copyright owner of the library for the distribution to users. Users must, of course, be authorized to use the library, but if they are owners of a copy of the library, under Section 117 they can make any adaptations of the library necessary to use it with the application program. FSF GPL FAQ I'd like to modify GPL-covered programs and link them with the portability libraries from Money Guzzler Inc. I cannot distribute the source code for these libraries, so any user who wanted to change these versions would have to obtained those libraries separately. Why doesn't the GPL permit this? …. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#MoneyGuzzlerInc FAQ as Fact In 2002, a company named Global Technologies Ltd (now defunct) had ported some 4.5M lines of GPL/BSD and other open source code to Windows using AT&T Uwin. They claimed less than 500 lines had to be changed and all changes went back to original authors. The binaries were distributed from their web site, but one day disappeared. My $50.00 check for a CD distribution of the binaries and source, which indicated $25 gift to FSF, was returned with a letter explaining Moglan threatened legal action for violating the GPL because the code was linked with AT&T uwin's proprietary posix.dll that provided the POSIX interface on windows. Hollaar disagress Some have claimed that an application program that needs a library for its operation is a derivative work of that library. They take that position because the application program is "based on" the library because it was written to use the subroutines and other aspects of the library. Such a position is misplaced.... No other conclusion makes sense. If it were not the case, then any program using the applications program interfaces (APIs) of an operating system could be considered a derivative work of that operating system. And, under the exclusive right to prepare derivative works, the copyright owner of an operating system such as Microsoft Windows could control who was allowed to write programs for that operating system. What was that automatic rejection again? ----- ----- Re: GPL Hollaaring FAQ or Fiction by: walter_oak_night Moglen got on the phone, resulting in both of the attorneys backing out of publicly discussing a moot court argument involving a scenario wherein a company used GPL software with a dynamically linked library, and wherein an issue would have been whether the DLL was then subsumed under the GPL. Darn. Would have been interesting. Beyond the Basics: Advanced Legal Topics in Open Source and Collaborative Development in the Global Marketplace When: Tuesday, March 21, 2006, 8:30 a.m. - 5:30 p.m. http://www.law.washington.edu/lct/Events/FOSS/ Appellate Argument Moot: The Scope of Derivative Works under an Open Source Software License Respected FOSS experts will argue the proper scope of a "derivative work" under U.S. copyright law, as applied to reuse of software source code, before a distinguished panel of federal appeals court judges: * Honorable William C. Bryson, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit * Honorable Haldane Robert Mayer, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit * Honorable Margaret McKeown, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit This simulated appellate argument will permit some of the most difficult issues facing practitioners to be debated fully and vigorously. The oral argument will be preceded by an optional one-hour analysis of the legal and technical issues raised in the hypothetical fact pattern. ----- ----- Re: Icing on the GPL by: day5done Wallace used the term "intellectual property" seventeen times in his Answer brief. He is complaining about the price fixing of *intellectual property* (that is to say licensing of exclusive rights in copyrights and patents). The FSF states: "…The GPL expressly allows a fee to recover the variable or incremental costs associated with distributing software licensed under the GPL: "You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy." (GPL 1.). See the "…fee for the physical act of transferring …"? This fee for transfer has nothing whatsoever to do with the allegation of price fixing of "intellectual property". Neither do charges for service and support. The FSF is confusing the intangible copyright with the tangible physical embodiment of a copyrighted work. § 202. Ownership of copyright as distinct from ownership of material object Ownership of a copyright, or of any of the exclusive rights under a copyright, is distinct from ownership of any material object in which the work is embodied. Transfer of ownership of any material object, including the copy or phonorecord in which the work is first fixed, does not of itself convey any rights in the copyrighted work embodied in the object; nor, in the absence of an agreement, does transfer of ownership of a copyright or of any exclusive rights under a copyright convey property rights in any material object. ----- ----- Re: FSF says that the contract controls by: day5done >> I'm sure there would be people willing to take you up on that bet if they thought you'd actually pay. << If Moglen doesn't fire them he has some serious explaining to do to thousands of people on why he misled programmers and companies on the legal nature of the GPL -- he is, after all, a Professor of Law and lead counsel for the FSF. "This right to exclude implies an equally large power to license--that is, to grant permission to do what would otherwise be forbidden. Licenses are not contracts: the work's user is obliged to remain within the bounds of the license not because she voluntarily promised, but because she doesn't have any right to act at all except as the license permits." http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/publications/lu-12.html Since the GPL is now proclaimed a contract, its terms are subject to interpretation under the common law of *fifty* different state jurisdictions -- there is no "federal common law". That fact is a real can of worms in its own right. Most states have their own restraint of trade laws. Linux may face fifty different Wallace's in fifty different states. If Wallace lost in Federal Court he could still sue under Indiana law: IC 24-1-2-1 Illegal combinations; exceptions; offense; defense Sec. 1. Every scheme, contract, or combination in restraint of trade or commerce, ... ----- regards, alexander.