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and subject line Re: Bug#1086708: vlc: opus decoder error: cannot read Opus
header with 5.1 channel
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--- Begin Message ---
Package: vlc
Version: 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
Severity: normal
Dear Maintainer,
When I read a mkv file with opus 5.1 channel, vlc says :
opus decoder error: cannot read Opus header
opus decoder error: initial Opus header is corrupted
And no sound is played.
But this file is well read by mpv or parole, and so on, without errors.
An upstream issue report and fixing exists on
https://goldeneye2.videolan.org/videolan/vlc/-/issues/27808
Please fix in Debian.
Regards.
-- System Information:
Debian Release: 12.7
APT prefers stable-updates
APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable-security'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
Foreign Architectures: i386
Kernel: Linux 6.1.0-26-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU threads; PREEMPT)
Kernel taint flags: TAINT_OOT_MODULE, TAINT_UNSIGNED_MODULE
Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
LSM: AppArmor: enabled
Versions of packages vlc depends on:
ii vlc-bin 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
ii vlc-plugin-base 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
ii vlc-plugin-qt 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
ii vlc-plugin-video-output 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
Versions of packages vlc recommends:
ii vlc-l10n 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
ii vlc-plugin-access-extra 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
ii vlc-plugin-notify 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
ii vlc-plugin-samba 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
ii vlc-plugin-skins2 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
ii vlc-plugin-video-splitter 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
ii vlc-plugin-visualization 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
Versions of packages vlc suggests:
pn vlc-plugin-fluidsynth <none>
pn vlc-plugin-jack <none>
pn vlc-plugin-pipewire <none>
pn vlc-plugin-svg <none>
Versions of packages libvlc-bin depends on:
ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
ii libvlc5 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
Versions of packages libvlc5 depends on:
ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
ii libvlccore9 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
Versions of packages libvlc5 recommends:
ii libvlc-bin 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
Versions of packages vlc-bin depends on:
ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
ii libvlc-bin 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
ii libvlc5 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
Versions of packages vlc-plugin-access-extra depends on:
ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
ii libsrt1.5-gnutls 1.5.1-1
ii libvlccore9 [vlc-plugin-abi-3-0-0f] 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
ii libvncclient1 0.9.14+dfsg-1
ii libxcb-composite0 1.15-1
ii libxcb-shm0 1.15-1
ii libxcb1 1.15-1
Versions of packages vlc-plugin-base depends on:
ii liba52-0.7.4 0.7.4-20
ii libarchive13 3.6.2-1+deb12u1
ii libaribb24-0 1.0.3-2
ii libasound2 1.2.8-1+b1
ii libass9 1:0.17.1-1
ii libavahi-client3 0.8-10
ii libavahi-common3 0.8-10
ii libavc1394-0 0.5.4-5
ii libavcodec59 7:5.1.6-0+deb12u1
ii libavformat59 7:5.1.6-0+deb12u1
ii libavutil57 7:5.1.6-0+deb12u1
ii libbluray2 1:1.3.4-1
ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
ii libcairo2 1.16.0-7
ii libcddb2 1.3.2-7
ii libchromaprint1 1.5.1-2+b1
ii libdav1d6 1.0.0-2+deb12u1
ii libdbus-1-3 1.14.10-1~deb12u1
ii libdc1394-25 2.2.6-4
ii libdca0 0.0.7-2
ii libdvbpsi10 1.3.3-1
ii libdvdnav4 6.1.1-1
ii libdvdread8 6.1.3-1
ii libebml5 1.4.4-1
ii libfaad2 2.10.1-1
ii libflac12 1.4.2+ds-2
ii libfontconfig1 2.14.1-4
ii libfreetype6 2.12.1+dfsg-5+deb12u3
ii libfribidi0 1.0.8-2.1
ii libgcc-s1 12.2.0-14
ii libgcrypt20 1.10.1-3
ii libglib2.0-0 2.74.6-2+deb12u3
ii libgnutls30 3.7.9-2+deb12u3
ii libgpg-error0 1.46-1
ii libharfbuzz0b 6.0.0+dfsg-3
ii libixml10 1:1.8.4-2
ii libjpeg62-turbo 1:2.1.5-2
ii libkate1 0.4.1-11
ii liblirc-client0 0.10.1-7.2
ii liblua5.2-0 5.2.4-3
ii libmad0 0.15.1b-10.1+b1
ii libmatroska7 1.7.1-1
ii libmpcdec6 2:0.1~r495-2
ii libmpeg2-4 0.5.1-9
ii libmpg123-0 1.31.2-1
ii libmtp9 1.1.20-1
ii libncursesw6 6.4-4
ii libnfs13 4.0.0-1
ii libogg0 1.3.5-3
ii libopenmpt-modplug1 0.8.9.0-openmpt1-2+b1
ii libopus0 1.3.1-3
ii libpng16-16 1.6.39-2
ii libpostproc56 7:5.1.6-0+deb12u1
ii libprotobuf-lite32 3.21.12-3
ii libpulse0 16.1+dfsg1-2+b1
ii libraw1394-11 2.1.2-2
ii libresid-builder0c2a 2.1.1-15+b1
ii librsvg2-2 2.54.7+dfsg-1~deb12u1
ii libsamplerate0 0.2.2-3
ii libsdl-image1.2 1.2.12-13+b2
ii libsdl1.2debian 1.2.15+dfsg2-8
ii libsecret-1-0 0.20.5-3
ii libshine3 3.1.1-2
ii libshout3 2.4.6-1+b1
ii libsidplay2 2.1.1-15+b1
ii libsoxr0 0.1.3-4
ii libspatialaudio0 0.3.0+git20180730+dfsg1-2+b1
ii libspeex1 1.2.1-2
ii libspeexdsp1 1.2.1-1
ii libssh2-1 1.10.0-3+b1
ii libstdc++6 12.2.0-14
ii libswscale6 7:5.1.6-0+deb12u1
ii libsystemd0 252.30-1~deb12u2
ii libtag1v5 1.13-2
ii libtheora0 1.1.1+dfsg.1-16.1+b1
ii libtinfo6 6.4-4
ii libtwolame0 0.4.0-2
ii libudev1 252.30-1~deb12u2
ii libupnp13 1:1.8.4-2
ii libvlccore9 [vlc-plugin-abi-3-0-0f] 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
ii libvorbis0a 1.3.7-1
ii libvorbisenc2 1.3.7-1
ii libx264-164 2:0.164.3095+gitbaee400-3
ii libx265-199 3.5-2+b1
ii libxcb-keysyms1 0.4.0-1+b2
ii libxcb1 1.15-1
ii libxml2 2.9.14+dfsg-1.3~deb12u1
ii libzvbi0 0.2.41-1
ii vlc-data 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
ii zlib1g 1:1.2.13.dfsg-1
Versions of packages vlc-plugin-base recommends:
ii xdg-utils 1.1.3-4.1
Versions of packages vlc-plugin-base suggests:
ii libdvd-pkg [libdvdcss2] 1.4.3-1-1
ii libdvdcss2 1.4.3-1~local
Versions of packages vlc-plugin-notify depends on:
ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
ii libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-0 2.42.10+dfsg-1+deb12u1
ii libglib2.0-0 2.74.6-2+deb12u3
ii libgtk-3-0 3.24.38-2~deb12u2
ii libnotify4 0.8.1-1
ii libvlccore9 [vlc-plugin-abi-3-0-0f] 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
Versions of packages vlc-plugin-qt depends on:
ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
ii libgcc-s1 12.2.0-14
ii libqt5core5a 5.15.8+dfsg-11+deb12u2
ii libqt5gui5 5.15.8+dfsg-11+deb12u2
ii libqt5svg5 5.15.8-3
ii libqt5widgets5 5.15.8+dfsg-11+deb12u2
ii libqt5x11extras5 5.15.8-2
ii libstdc++6 12.2.0-14
ii libvlccore9 [vlc-plugin-abi-3-0-0f] 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
ii libwayland-client0 1.21.0-1
ii libx11-6 2:1.8.4-2+deb12u2
Versions of packages vlc-plugin-qt recommends:
ii vlc-bin 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
Versions of packages vlc-plugin-skins2 depends on:
ii fonts-freefont-ttf 20120503-10
ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
ii libfreetype6 2.12.1+dfsg-5+deb12u3
ii libfribidi0 1.0.8-2.1
ii libgcc-s1 12.2.0-14
ii libstdc++6 12.2.0-14
ii libvlccore9 [vlc-plugin-abi-3-0-0f] 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
ii libx11-6 2:1.8.4-2+deb12u2
ii libxext6 2:1.3.4-1+b1
ii libxinerama1 2:1.1.4-3
ii libxpm4 1:3.5.12-1.1+deb12u1
ii vlc-plugin-qt 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
Versions of packages vlc-plugin-skins2 recommends:
ii vlc-bin 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
Versions of packages vlc-plugin-video-output depends on:
ii libaa1 1.4p5-50
ii libavcodec59 7:5.1.6-0+deb12u1
ii libavutil57 7:5.1.6-0+deb12u1
ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
ii libcaca0 0.99.beta20-3
ii libegl1 1.6.0-1
ii libgl1 1.6.0-1
ii libgles2 1.6.0-1
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ii libva-drm2 2.17.0-1
ii libva-wayland2 2.17.0-1
ii libva-x11-2 2.17.0-1
ii libva2 2.17.0-1
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ii libxcb-shm0 1.15-1
ii libxcb-xv0 1.15-1
ii libxcb1 1.15-1
Versions of packages vlc-plugin-video-splitter depends on:
ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
ii libvlccore9 [vlc-plugin-abi-3-0-0f] 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
ii libxcb-randr0 1.15-1
ii libxcb1 1.15-1
Versions of packages vlc-plugin-visualization depends on:
ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
ii libgl1 1.6.0-1
ii libvlccore9 [vlc-plugin-abi-3-0-0f] 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
-- no debconf information
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Version: 3.0.22-0+deb12u1
On 2024-11-04 16:06:46 +0100, rpnpif wrote:
> Package: vlc
> Version: 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
> Severity: normal
>
> Dear Maintainer,
>
> When I read a mkv file with opus 5.1 channel, vlc says :
> opus decoder error: cannot read Opus header
> opus decoder error: initial Opus header is corrupted
> And no sound is played.
>
> But this file is well read by mpv or parole, and so on, without errors.
>
> An upstream issue report and fixing exists on
> https://goldeneye2.videolan.org/videolan/vlc/-/issues/27808
This issue was fixed in 3.0.22.
Cheers
>
> Please fix in Debian.
> Regards.
>
> -- System Information:
> Debian Release: 12.7
> APT prefers stable-updates
> APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable-security'), (500,
> 'stable')
> Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
> Foreign Architectures: i386
>
> Kernel: Linux 6.1.0-26-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU threads; PREEMPT)
> Kernel taint flags: TAINT_OOT_MODULE, TAINT_UNSIGNED_MODULE
> Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not
> set
> Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash
> Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
> LSM: AppArmor: enabled
>
> Versions of packages vlc depends on:
> ii vlc-bin 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
> ii vlc-plugin-base 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
> ii vlc-plugin-qt 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
> ii vlc-plugin-video-output 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
>
> Versions of packages vlc recommends:
> ii vlc-l10n 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
> ii vlc-plugin-access-extra 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
> ii vlc-plugin-notify 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
> ii vlc-plugin-samba 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
> ii vlc-plugin-skins2 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
> ii vlc-plugin-video-splitter 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
> ii vlc-plugin-visualization 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
>
> Versions of packages vlc suggests:
> pn vlc-plugin-fluidsynth <none>
> pn vlc-plugin-jack <none>
> pn vlc-plugin-pipewire <none>
> pn vlc-plugin-svg <none>
>
> Versions of packages libvlc-bin depends on:
> ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
> ii libvlc5 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
>
> Versions of packages libvlc5 depends on:
> ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
> ii libvlccore9 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
>
> Versions of packages libvlc5 recommends:
> ii libvlc-bin 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
>
> Versions of packages vlc-bin depends on:
> ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
> ii libvlc-bin 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
> ii libvlc5 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
>
> Versions of packages vlc-plugin-access-extra depends on:
> ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
> ii libsrt1.5-gnutls 1.5.1-1
> ii libvlccore9 [vlc-plugin-abi-3-0-0f] 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
> ii libvncclient1 0.9.14+dfsg-1
> ii libxcb-composite0 1.15-1
> ii libxcb-shm0 1.15-1
> ii libxcb1 1.15-1
>
> Versions of packages vlc-plugin-base depends on:
> ii liba52-0.7.4 0.7.4-20
> ii libarchive13 3.6.2-1+deb12u1
> ii libaribb24-0 1.0.3-2
> ii libasound2 1.2.8-1+b1
> ii libass9 1:0.17.1-1
> ii libavahi-client3 0.8-10
> ii libavahi-common3 0.8-10
> ii libavc1394-0 0.5.4-5
> ii libavcodec59 7:5.1.6-0+deb12u1
> ii libavformat59 7:5.1.6-0+deb12u1
> ii libavutil57 7:5.1.6-0+deb12u1
> ii libbluray2 1:1.3.4-1
> ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
> ii libcairo2 1.16.0-7
> ii libcddb2 1.3.2-7
> ii libchromaprint1 1.5.1-2+b1
> ii libdav1d6 1.0.0-2+deb12u1
> ii libdbus-1-3 1.14.10-1~deb12u1
> ii libdc1394-25 2.2.6-4
> ii libdca0 0.0.7-2
> ii libdvbpsi10 1.3.3-1
> ii libdvdnav4 6.1.1-1
> ii libdvdread8 6.1.3-1
> ii libebml5 1.4.4-1
> ii libfaad2 2.10.1-1
> ii libflac12 1.4.2+ds-2
> ii libfontconfig1 2.14.1-4
> ii libfreetype6 2.12.1+dfsg-5+deb12u3
> ii libfribidi0 1.0.8-2.1
> ii libgcc-s1 12.2.0-14
> ii libgcrypt20 1.10.1-3
> ii libglib2.0-0 2.74.6-2+deb12u3
> ii libgnutls30 3.7.9-2+deb12u3
> ii libgpg-error0 1.46-1
> ii libharfbuzz0b 6.0.0+dfsg-3
> ii libixml10 1:1.8.4-2
> ii libjpeg62-turbo 1:2.1.5-2
> ii libkate1 0.4.1-11
> ii liblirc-client0 0.10.1-7.2
> ii liblua5.2-0 5.2.4-3
> ii libmad0 0.15.1b-10.1+b1
> ii libmatroska7 1.7.1-1
> ii libmpcdec6 2:0.1~r495-2
> ii libmpeg2-4 0.5.1-9
> ii libmpg123-0 1.31.2-1
> ii libmtp9 1.1.20-1
> ii libncursesw6 6.4-4
> ii libnfs13 4.0.0-1
> ii libogg0 1.3.5-3
> ii libopenmpt-modplug1 0.8.9.0-openmpt1-2+b1
> ii libopus0 1.3.1-3
> ii libpng16-16 1.6.39-2
> ii libpostproc56 7:5.1.6-0+deb12u1
> ii libprotobuf-lite32 3.21.12-3
> ii libpulse0 16.1+dfsg1-2+b1
> ii libraw1394-11 2.1.2-2
> ii libresid-builder0c2a 2.1.1-15+b1
> ii librsvg2-2 2.54.7+dfsg-1~deb12u1
> ii libsamplerate0 0.2.2-3
> ii libsdl-image1.2 1.2.12-13+b2
> ii libsdl1.2debian 1.2.15+dfsg2-8
> ii libsecret-1-0 0.20.5-3
> ii libshine3 3.1.1-2
> ii libshout3 2.4.6-1+b1
> ii libsidplay2 2.1.1-15+b1
> ii libsoxr0 0.1.3-4
> ii libspatialaudio0 0.3.0+git20180730+dfsg1-2+b1
> ii libspeex1 1.2.1-2
> ii libspeexdsp1 1.2.1-1
> ii libssh2-1 1.10.0-3+b1
> ii libstdc++6 12.2.0-14
> ii libswscale6 7:5.1.6-0+deb12u1
> ii libsystemd0 252.30-1~deb12u2
> ii libtag1v5 1.13-2
> ii libtheora0 1.1.1+dfsg.1-16.1+b1
> ii libtinfo6 6.4-4
> ii libtwolame0 0.4.0-2
> ii libudev1 252.30-1~deb12u2
> ii libupnp13 1:1.8.4-2
> ii libvlccore9 [vlc-plugin-abi-3-0-0f] 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
> ii libvorbis0a 1.3.7-1
> ii libvorbisenc2 1.3.7-1
> ii libx264-164 2:0.164.3095+gitbaee400-3
> ii libx265-199 3.5-2+b1
> ii libxcb-keysyms1 0.4.0-1+b2
> ii libxcb1 1.15-1
> ii libxml2 2.9.14+dfsg-1.3~deb12u1
> ii libzvbi0 0.2.41-1
> ii vlc-data 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
> ii zlib1g 1:1.2.13.dfsg-1
>
> Versions of packages vlc-plugin-base recommends:
> ii xdg-utils 1.1.3-4.1
>
> Versions of packages vlc-plugin-base suggests:
> ii libdvd-pkg [libdvdcss2] 1.4.3-1-1
> ii libdvdcss2 1.4.3-1~local
>
> Versions of packages vlc-plugin-notify depends on:
> ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
> ii libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-0 2.42.10+dfsg-1+deb12u1
> ii libglib2.0-0 2.74.6-2+deb12u3
> ii libgtk-3-0 3.24.38-2~deb12u2
> ii libnotify4 0.8.1-1
> ii libvlccore9 [vlc-plugin-abi-3-0-0f] 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
>
> Versions of packages vlc-plugin-qt depends on:
> ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
> ii libgcc-s1 12.2.0-14
> ii libqt5core5a 5.15.8+dfsg-11+deb12u2
> ii libqt5gui5 5.15.8+dfsg-11+deb12u2
> ii libqt5svg5 5.15.8-3
> ii libqt5widgets5 5.15.8+dfsg-11+deb12u2
> ii libqt5x11extras5 5.15.8-2
> ii libstdc++6 12.2.0-14
> ii libvlccore9 [vlc-plugin-abi-3-0-0f] 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
> ii libwayland-client0 1.21.0-1
> ii libx11-6 2:1.8.4-2+deb12u2
>
> Versions of packages vlc-plugin-qt recommends:
> ii vlc-bin 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
>
> Versions of packages vlc-plugin-skins2 depends on:
> ii fonts-freefont-ttf 20120503-10
> ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
> ii libfreetype6 2.12.1+dfsg-5+deb12u3
> ii libfribidi0 1.0.8-2.1
> ii libgcc-s1 12.2.0-14
> ii libstdc++6 12.2.0-14
> ii libvlccore9 [vlc-plugin-abi-3-0-0f] 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
> ii libx11-6 2:1.8.4-2+deb12u2
> ii libxext6 2:1.3.4-1+b1
> ii libxinerama1 2:1.1.4-3
> ii libxpm4 1:3.5.12-1.1+deb12u1
> ii vlc-plugin-qt 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
>
> Versions of packages vlc-plugin-skins2 recommends:
> ii vlc-bin 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
>
> Versions of packages vlc-plugin-video-output depends on:
> ii libaa1 1.4p5-50
> ii libavcodec59 7:5.1.6-0+deb12u1
> ii libavutil57 7:5.1.6-0+deb12u1
> ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
> ii libcaca0 0.99.beta20-3
> ii libegl1 1.6.0-1
> ii libgl1 1.6.0-1
> ii libgles2 1.6.0-1
> ii libplacebo208 4.208.0-3
> ii libva-drm2 2.17.0-1
> ii libva-wayland2 2.17.0-1
> ii libva-x11-2 2.17.0-1
> ii libva2 2.17.0-1
> ii libvlccore9 [vlc-plugin-abi-3-0-0f] 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
> ii libwayland-client0 1.21.0-1
> ii libwayland-egl1 1.21.0-1
> ii libx11-6 2:1.8.4-2+deb12u2
> ii libxcb-keysyms1 0.4.0-1+b2
> ii libxcb-shm0 1.15-1
> ii libxcb-xv0 1.15-1
> ii libxcb1 1.15-1
>
> Versions of packages vlc-plugin-video-splitter depends on:
> ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
> ii libvlccore9 [vlc-plugin-abi-3-0-0f] 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
> ii libxcb-randr0 1.15-1
> ii libxcb1 1.15-1
>
> Versions of packages vlc-plugin-visualization depends on:
> ii libc6 2.36-9+deb12u8
> ii libgl1 1.6.0-1
> ii libvlccore9 [vlc-plugin-abi-3-0-0f] 3.0.21-0+deb12u1
>
> -- no debconf information
>
--
Sebastian Ramacher
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