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Subject: being truthful about the FHS and us
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From: Chris Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Package: debian-policy
Version: 3.5.4.0
Severity: wishlist
There is a bit of a glaring bug in policy. An earlier attempt to
address this was made in #60461, but it seems like people found that
one confusing, and there has been no progress on it. This proposal is
intended to supersede #60461, which never got any seconds, and only a
couple of comments from Wichert -- supporting arguments which appear
to be intended as objections, which suggests that the proposal was
unclear.
Right. I'll try to be clear. (Plus, I'm going to propose a smaller,
simpler patch.)
The Problem:
Policy says packages "must comply" with the FHS. The FHS says
"compliant" means "every requirement in this standard is met".
Period. Any package which did that would be violating Debian policy!
(See, just for example, the /usr/doc symlinks.) Yet any package that
doesn't is also violating policy!
What we want, as most of you probably know, is to be compatible, not
compliant. From the FHS:
"An implementation is fully compatible with this standard if every file
or directory which it contains can be found by looking in the location
specified here and will be found with the contents as specified here,
even if that is not the primary or physical location of the file or
directory in question."
(It goes on to state that "compatible" is a synonym for "fully
compatible".)
Furthermore, as Wichert points out in his comments to #60461, we would
probably like to reserve some wiggle room, just in case. Thus, I
suggest we change the "must" to "should".
The Proposal (the patch):
--- debian-policy.sgml~ Mon May 21 10:45:51 2001
+++ debian-policy.sgml Mon May 21 10:54:35 2001
@@ -3982,8 +3982,8 @@
<heading>Linux File system Structure</heading>
<p>
- The location of all installed files and directories must
- comply with the Linux File system Hierarchy Standard
+ The location of all installed files and directories should
+ be compatible with the Linux File system Hierarchy Standard
(FHS). The latest version of this document can be found
alongside this manual or on
<url id="http://www.pathname.com/fhs/";>.
Final comments:
This still works if we leave the "must" as "must". Either way is
fine. (Plus, it becomes a one-line patch, which is always nifty.)
This really is a technical bug in policy. One of those "perfect" Star
Trek computers would probably explode if asked to process the policy
document today. Worse yet, claiming compliance is a blatant lie to
our users. So, I would really like to fast-track this proposal before
we freeze.
We can fine tune things later -- this is a bug fix.
If you really, really prefer "must" to "should", you can say so in
your second, and if the majority of seconds say so, then we'll leave
"must".
We need this now, please second.
cheers
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Subject: Closed by debian-policy version 3.5.6.0
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These bugs were closed by debian-policy 3.5.6.0. Here is the
.changes file.
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Format: 1.7
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:43:22 -0500
Source: debian-policy
Binary: debian-policy
Architecture: source all
Version: 3.5.6.0
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Policy List <debian-policy@lists.debian.org>
Changed-By: Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Description:
debian-policy - Debian Policy Manual and related documents
Closes: 53849 60461 72335 98291 100631 102199 102204 105535 105538 105625
Changes:
debian-policy (3.5.6.0) unstable; urgency=low
.
* Change footnote about urgency values to the now-current list: low,
medium, high, emergency.
* Correct note about /etc/default files being conffiles/config files,
which I mucked up (sorry Joey) [10.3.2]
* [AMENDMENT 2001/06/26] Downgrade emacs/tex to optional
closes: Bug#102204, Bug#53849
* [AMENDMENT 2001/06/26] Next stage in usr/doc -> usr/share/doc transition
closes: Bug#102199
.
* [AMENDMENT 09/06/2001] Clarifying FHS policy closes: Bug#98291, Bug#60461
* Spelling correction closes: Bug#105625
* [AMMENDMENT 28/06/2001] Restrict http access to /usr/share/doc
closes: Bug#100631
* [AMENDMENT 23/5/2001] Optional build-arch and build-indep targets for
debian/rules closes: Bug#72335
* The old packaging manual is included in the policy document as an
informative appendix. It is not part of Debian Technical Policy, and
its presence is a temporary measure until dpkg documentation includes
ther information provided. closes: Bug#105535
* Added information about optional blank lines in the chagelog format.
closes: Bug#105538
Files:
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