On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 10:52:04PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> You steadfastly want to skip that little word "software".  It's the
> Debian free *software* guidelines, and if your goal is to be
> literalistic, then you can't appeal to the DF *Software* G to argue
> about things which are not *Software*.

More ground already covered.

If it's not *Software* then either,

1) We must treat it as such, or;
2) We have no mandate to deal with it at all.

Please review the Social Contract.

> > Let me guess.  You're one of the people who didn't read the thread
> > before replying!
> 
> Huh?  You and I still disagree about the point; if you *must* have a
> rigid guideline, then maybe we can work one out, but Anthony is well
> within his rights to argue that a qualitative description is
> adequate.  That question is *not* somehow closed so that people
> joining the conversation now can't revisit it.

And nowhere did I imply thus.  I asked him to read the thread, which he
clearly hadn't.

> > It's probably a good idea to avoid shitting on people for making an
> > effort to be clear by using a little colloquial grease.  Specific
> > suggestions for clarification of my existing wording are welcome.
> > Contrived objections to my proposals are not.
> 
> Why are contrived objections to your proposals not allowed, but
> contrived objections to the GFDL are just fine??

I'm sorry, but I cannot see how see my attempt to eluicidate a point is
in any way analogous to an exigesis of the GNU FDL, which is a software
license.

If Anthony, or you, doesn't like my explanation of point 3), you can
simply ignore it.  What's up for consideration is the proposal itself.

I find it endlessly fascinating that, no matter how much trouble one
goes to to distinguish normative pieces of a proposal from descriptive
ones, people manage to conflate the two.  Ironically, this is probably
one reason why Invariant Sections under the GNU FDL could be considered
a bad idea.

Please feel free to mentally insert
        *********************************************************************
        THE INDENTED TEXT IS FOR EXPLANATION PURPOSES ONLY, IT DOES
        NOT FORM PART OF THE NORMATIVE CONTENT OF THE PROPOSAL; IT IS JUST
        PRESENT AS FODDER FOR EXPLANATORY FOOTNOTES IN ANY ADOPTED VERSION OF
        THE PROPOSAL.  ANTHONY TOWNS, THOMAS BUSHNELL, THIS MEANS YOU!
        *********************************************************************
before the indented explanations of each clause of my proposal.

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