Bill Allombert wrote: > Well I see the Terminal entry as a window-manager specific > configuration, so it does not belong in Debian menu.
I see your point. But then there is no reason to separate terminal emulators from other applications, therefore I suggest moving them to "Applications/Terminal Emulators". It might confuse old users, but having things organized in a consistent intuitive way is more important that traditions, in my opinion. >> How about "Lockers"[1] and "Savers"[2]? Everybody knows what a term >> "screensaver" refers to. Locker could mean a drawer or a cupboard for >> native English speakers, though. Or maybe not. >> >> [1] Screen/Lockers >> [2] Screen/Savers > > It is clearer than Lock and Save. Another alternative would be: Screen/Security - for locking Screen/Power - for blanking the screen Nowadays a screensaver (moving graphics) is really just a toy that saves neither screen, nor power, so renaming this to "Power" might make package maintainers rethink what belongs there. A single entry to start a screensaver is fine, but is there a good reason for not having entries for all sorts of graphics hacks (I like this term much more) in "Games/Toys" or similar? The configuration GUIs should also go to "Applications/System/Administration". >> The question is, do they really deserve a separate section? (8 entries >> in total) The ability to draw to root window does not indicate the >> purpose of an application. Many can do that. Many do. Most are in >> different sections. > > There a bit related to bug #162849. They are application that do not > open windows. The bug report is about daemons. I do not thinks these applications fall under this category. Some of them even are purely GUI applications (chbg, wallp). [ What concerns actual daemons, I see no point in having them in menu at all. If you have to look at output of "ps" in a terminal to see if it is running, would it be too hard to type in the name of said daemon in the same terminal? Anyways, this is only my point of view. ] > Root-window should be reserved to menu entries (not programs) which sole > purpose is to modify the Root-window. But it is not clear there are > enough of them to warrant a subsection. I see "modify the Root-window" as entertainment. How is "xphoon" different from, let us say, "xdesktopwaves" found in "Game/Toys"? >> Maybe allow WM specific top level entries? Something like >> "Configuration" in Fluxbox root menu. These could be named after WM that >> uses them (for example "FVWM"), or simply "Modules". A person running a >> WM that uses modules can be expected to know what they are. > > In fact, they are already allowed. However this should not prevent us > to improve the recommandation. I would go with "Modules" as top level section. Nice and clear. > I think games should be classified by the kind of interaction between > the computer(s) and the player(s). I am not sure I understand you. Could you please explain? Below is a draft that includes the changes I suggested. The "Games" section is omitted, but otherwise I think it turned out quite well. ------------ Applications [was:Apps] Normal applications. This is top level section, do not put entries here. Accessibility [new] Tools to aid people with disabilities or on machines lacking usual input devices. gok, yasr, dasher Data Management [new] Interactive database programs, collection managers, bibliography tools etc. gaby, alexandria, mdbtools Editors Editors, other than office word processors, for text based information. ksubtile, nano, hexedit Educational [was:Education] Educational and training software. gtypist, gcompris, quiz Emulators Software that allows you to run non-native software or more than one OS at a time. wine, dosemu, qemu File Management [new] Tools for file management, archiving, searching, CD/DVD burning and backup. file-roller, mc, baobab Graphics 2D and 3D graphics manipulation software. gimp, inkscape, imagemagick HAM Radio [was:Hamradio] Anything relating to HAM radio. baken, hamsoft, twlog Mathematical [was:Math] Mathematics related software. gcalctool, snapea, xeukleides Mobile Devices [new] Software that allows you to interface with mobile devices (phones, PDA's etc.). kandy, gnokii, gnome-pilot Network [was:Net] Network related software. This is three level menu, do not put entries in second (this) level. Network/Communication [new] Chat, instant messaging, IP telephony, video conferencing software. xchat, gaim, gnomemeeting Network/File Transfer [new] File transfer software such as download managers, FTP clients, P2P clients. amule, gftp, d4x Network/Mail [new] Mail and Usenet readers, mail notification applets etc. mutt, mozilla-thunderbird, tin Network/Monitoring [new] Network monitoring software. gip, ettercap, iptstate Network/News [new] Newsfeed and podcast agregators. akregator, kitty, liferea Network/Web Browsing [new] Web browsers, tools for offline browsing. elinks, epiphany-browser, webhttrack Office [new] Office suites, word processors, spreadsheets, address books, CRM, ERP, financial sofware. openoffice.org, tinyerp-client, rubrica Programming IDEs, debuggers, etc. anjuta, gdb, eclipse Project Management [new] Timetable managers, group task trackers, bug tracking software, UML tools etc. planner, tcm, gnotime Scientific [was:Science] Programs for science, natural and other. ncbi-epcr, earth3d, therion Shells Various shells to be used inside a terminal emulator. bash, ksh, zsh Sound Sound players, editors and rippers/recorders. beep-media-player, grip, audacity System System related software. This is three level menu, do not put entries in second (this) level. System/Administration [was:Admin] Administrative and system configuration utilities, also tools for personal user settings. gnome-control-center, configure-debian, gksu System/Hardware [new] Tools for manipulating specific hardware, especially non-standard laptop hardware. toshutils, nvclock-gtk, nvtv System/Language Environment [was:Language-Environment] This section is reserved to language-env as a special case. System/Monitoring [new] System information and monitoring tools, log viewers. top, hal-device-manager, gtkdiskfree System/Package Management [new] Package managers and related tools. aptitude, deborphan, smartpm System/Security [new] Security, cryptography and privacy related software, antiviruses, tools to track and report bugs. gpgkeys, bastille, avscan Technical Engineering related software. This is three level menu, do not put entries in second (this) level. Technical/Electronics [new] Circuit design tools, simulators and assemblers for microprocessors etc. geda, gnucap, tkgate Technical/Engineering [new] CAD tools and other technical software not directly related to electronics. gpsman, qcad, pythoncad Terminal Emulators [was:XShells] Terminal emulators - graphical terminals. xterm, gnome-terminal, rxvt Text Text oriented tools like dictionaries, OCR, translation and text analysis software etc. kdrill, stardict, turkey TV and Radio [new] TV-in, TV-out, FM radio, teletext browsers etc. gradio, gatos, alevt Viewers Software for viewing images, documents and other (not video) media. gqview, evince, gthumb Video [new] Video players, editors and rippers/recorders. istanbul, totem, kino Web Development [new] Software for web site editing, web programming and site administration. bluefish, screem, gphpedit Games Games and recreations. This is top level section, do not put entries here. [subsections excluded] Help Programs that provide user documentation. Can (and should) also contain entries for important documents. debian-reference, apt-howto, dhelp Screen Programs that affect the whole screen. This is top level section, do not put entries here. Power Tools for blanking the screen. Entries of screen hacks and configuration GUIs should go to other appropriate sections. xscreensaver, xlockmore, [FILLME] Security [was:Lock] Tools for locking the screen. xscreensaver, xlockmore, [FILLME] Window Managers [was:WindowManagers] X window managers. fluxbox, metacity, waimea Modules Window manager modules. As only modules related to running WM are showed, do not create subsections for specific WMs. fvwm, fvwm-gnome, wmaker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
