Hi Holger, On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 01:49:09AM +0100, Holger Wansing wrote: > > > -Given how easy it is to become a Debian Maintainer, you might want > > > +Given how easy it is to become a Debian Member, you might want > > > to only sponsor people who plan to join. > > to become a Maintainer? > > Maybe ... > But as a first step, it would be enough to only be a member.
it's much easier to become a Debian Maintainer, than a Debian Member. > For team maintained packages you can also do package work | package uploading > work as a member (at least these are my experiences; see below). you can do that work as 'nobody' too ;) > > > -The process of registering as a developer is a process of verifying your > > > +The process of registering as a member is a process of verifying your > > ... a maintainer? > Here we refer to the NM process itself, which is officially named "New Member > process" these days. > So I think "member" is fine here. ok > > (maybe then we also need one paragraph explaining that developers are > > maintainers too? and developers are members, but members not necessarily > > developers nor maintainers? ;) > Yes, but question is, if we want to make it that complicated :-) well, Debian *is* complex. > Remember it should be understandable for new people ... sure, but making it sound simpler / less complex than it is in reality might also be a diservice for new people... > > > -Therefore, we need to verify new maintainers before we can give them > > > accounts > > > +Therefore, we need to verify new members before we can give them accounts > > > on our servers and let them upload packages. > > > > not sure if members can get server access. maintainers surely can. maybe > > "new developers/maintainers"? (also to answer my own question in the > > previous paragraph, maybe be explicit and say > > 'member/developer/maintainer' if we mean that? > > Members have chance to get permission to access dillon :-))) > At least in my case. maintainers too. > I am not a developer, and I am not mentioned as a maintainer in some packages' > control file, so I assume I am a member? ;-)) you are a 'Debian Developer, non-uploading' :) which in other words means you're a Debian (project) Member. > And I got upload permissions for d-i packages, and I got access to dillon. > As it seems the rules are always somewhat flexible ... they are. Your upload permissions are probably technically done by also making you a Debian Maintainer... > > > -<title>Resources for Debian Developers and Debian Maintainers</title> > > > +<title>Resources for Debian Members</title>\ > > see above :) > I assume that all developers and maintainers are also members (in german we > say "kleinster gemeinsamer Nenner"). No, Debian Maintainers are not Debian project members. Project members can vote. Debian Maintainers cannot vote. You can vote. > As written above: maybe we should not make this more complicated as needed > and use 'member' as a cover term? we definitly shouldnt add more meanings to words already loaded with too many meanings :/ > > Even if this seems a bit confusing now I'd hope it was that bad. Have > > you seen anything where you would like to rework your patch or do you > > think it should rather go in as such? > > > > (once it goes in it will trigger translation updates so we better are > > careful...) > > This is why I first thought "Huh it's maybe to late for this change now?", > since translators maybe have only little chance to catch up... I've released dev-ref 3.4.22 yesterday so we can merge this now and then translators have still time to catch up. > But to not postpone this too much I prepared a patch anyway. yup > As a summary: > I see no strict need to do reworking on my patch IMHO. > (You can always find corner cases, where the terms are debatable, because > of historical growth of the document and the rules in Debian, as already > said. But I think it should fit this way.) I think I'll merge your patch later (today?) and then go through it again and reword areas where I think it needs reworking. It's definitly a good base for future work! -- tschüß, Holger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C
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