>>>>> "Luca" == Luca Boccassi <bl...@debian.org> writes: Luca> Secondly, and less importantly, while I appreciate it's not Luca> how you handle policy changes, the way the rest of the Luca> distribution works is by 'building consensus' on mailing Luca> lists. Now I don't particularly like it, but it is what it Luca> is. And that means if somebody comes up with the most Luca> egregious nonsense like, to pick a completely fictional Luca> example, "hey folks, usr-merge broke docker, rsync and Luca> ansible, we need to revert it", and it is left unchallenged, Luca> then it becomes doxa. So it has to be challenged. Every Luca> time. After half a decade, you don't think _that_ is Luca> exhausting?
Thanks for sharing this. I understand what you've been doing a lot better now. And if it is actually true that you need to challenge these assertions every time, your behavior makes more sense to me. However, it's been my experience that challenging these assertions every time is unnecessary. It actually makes it harder to judge consensus and keeps discussions alive longer than they need to. I actually think that there are cases where if you had said less, a consensus you would have liked just fine would have emerged faster than has happened. Often when someone says something rediculous in a consensus discussion it is best to let it fall into a void of silence. Challenging it can sometimes just give it energy. I would be very open to helping you (or anyone) explore how to work more efficiently in a consensus environment and how to espace from a consensus discussion when consensus is the wrong tool. I realized that I focused a lot on consensus during my term as DPL. A lot of that was that I was hoping to help people explore how to approach consensus discussions better (and because it was the right tool for some of those discussions). But there are a lot of discussions where consensus is the wrong tool. And now that we've leveled up how we approach consensus discussions, perhaps we should level up how not to have them:-)
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