On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 05:06:27PM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > > > - Switching networks without some significant advantage stinks of > > > politics too much for me. > > > - It increases the chances we'll have to do it again, and we lose the > > > stability that has made the network useful. > > > > The significant advantage is that we stop endorsing a network that collects > > spurious donations from our users, the people who we are supposed to help, > > not help waste their money. > > > > I think the risk to our reputation with our users over financing policies > > outweighs the risk of moving them to another network. > > I don't agree; it is quite clear that the Freenode advertisements are > not Debian-related.
How does that matter? We still encourage Debian users to go there. > > > OFTC is too much of a wild card, which I think is clear to any detached > > > observer from reading the traffic in this thread. > > > > A wild card, as opposed to OPN, which has started an annoying and wrong > > fundraising campaign, is trying to found a new charity despite the fact > > lilo is an SPI advisor, and, of course, has just changed its name? :) > > A wild _technical_ card. I refuse to support a move that we don't have > technical confidence in; despite the splits, OpenProjects has not been > a disappointment on that side. That doesn't make sense -- OFTC seems to be led by people who were staff on OPN. We haven't tested their technical expertise by seeing a 500-user #debian run on their new network, but other than asuffield's opinion that they are all worthless, I see no reason to believe they couldn't do what they used to do on OPN, on OFTC. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.