-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 23-09-2004 19:30, Richard A. Hecker wrote: | On Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 08:53:39PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: | |>Thank you for not abusing our secret mailinglist for irrelevant stuff |>like pointing fingers at (cute?) attempts to follow our Social Contract. |> |>Feel free to quote my parts of this email in public! |> |>I see nothing secret in any of this email, and thus encourage responses |>to be targeted debian-project instead of this secret list. |> | | Obviously, debian-private contains many messages that have no secret | content. This message was another example of this fact.
I unlocked it from its default secret status. | It is wrong for a person to equate d-private == secret_content. Somewhat true. The problem is that emails not explicitly declared differently must be kept secret. We are lazy so we do not subscribe to additional lists but rely on debian-private where we got subscribed by default. We are lazy and just want to get hold of "the developers" so we use debian-private. We are lazy and do not declare each and every time content posted to debian-private is allowed quoted elsewere. What I see is a practical situation of laziness. I also see a practical solution: ~ * Subscribe all developers by default to debian-project. ~ * For each mail posted to debian-private require a one-line explanation of why it should be treated as a secret (and if only for a while then what would trigger release of the secrecy-lock). The one-line explanation is similar to the current use of urgency=high for packages: A short explanation is required, to show that you didn't set the flag by accident or without reflecting. | If a concensus developed about the rules, I think we would | see less bickering on d-private. I doubt if we could eliminate it all, | because flamage was created in our geek community ;-) I am _not_ talking about noise. Flamage or not, we should not keep things secret unless really really necessary. I am trying to avoid unnecessary secrets. Please do not mix that with avoiding noise! ~ - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ ~ - Enden er nær: http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBU3CNn7DbMsAkQLgRAvI4AJ0VIQfCl0MzgbVpnH+FrDWUDFdmqACeICin /wluCBvI+2eoSab2tmqDriY= =4d1l -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----