Hi, as you can read in my lightning talk at DebConf
http://people.debian.org/~tille/talks/200808_lightning/ I did some investigation on who is frequently posting on our mailing lists. I now created graphs until end of last year and write a short summary for those lists I regard worth a comment. I'm not CCed to all of this list so if you want to discuss something please keep me in CC. If you want to discuss the results in general just write to debian-project. All graphs and the code that was used to create the graphs are available at http://people.debian.org/~tille/liststats/ If you are interested in a mailing list which was not analysed, just tell me. I was running the scripts on those lists I personally had some interest and those with more than 1000 subscribers. I plan to clean up code and write some doc about it but this will not happen in the next couple of weeks. The graph for this specific list is ------- <start of mailing list specific part> ------ http://people.debian.org/~tille/liststats/authorstat_project.pdf Well, the only comment for this list from me is: Happy new year. ;-) But here are all comments I posted to the single other lists. accessibility ------------------- Three active developers. Seems to be a living project. Samuel Thibault rocks! Good luck for the future! amd64 ------------------- If the decreasing activity on this list is a sign that porting issues on amd64 are basically solved I would call this a good sign. boot ------------------- It's nice to have Frans Pop and cudos also to Otavio Salvador who becomes more and more involved. But IMHO such an important part of the Debian project needs definitely more activists. Anybody willing to help? ctte ------------------- 2008 was a quiet year compared to 2006 and 2007. Thanks for working in the ctte! curiosa ------------------- I'm really curious who Alexander Hvostov might be and if we ever might have so many curiosa to discuss that somebody else might take over his role he might have ironed out in the curious year 2003. ;-) custom ------------------- According to the fact that I will ask for a debian-blends list I guess I will loose my top poster position here sooner or later. But it was fun with you guys anyway. ;-) debian-live-devel ------------------- I wished this really cool project would gain more activists. Anyway Daniel Baumann rocks! Good luck for the future. debichem-devel ------------------- I really wished that this project would be able to gain more supporters because it is the closest to my pet Debian Med project. Just knowing the fact that you can not count myself as a real project member because my postings were rather concerned to general synergies with similar projects (Blends or potential Blends) I see only four developers. The fact that only two of them were active last year makes me a bad feeling. I can only repeat my opinion that the key to success is better project management and attracting more people by becoming more popular. You know I was and will be busy to write tools for Debian Pure Blends that are intended to provide technical means to supoprt this strategy. Just start with using them. I wish you really good luck for your project. Please do not hesitate a single minute to ask for help if you want to join the Blends effort or if something might remain unclear in this scope. debtags-devel ------------------- Enrico, I regard the project you initiated as *really* important for Debian but please try to care for an activist who might take over your leading role in case you might not find enough time for Debtags any more. Rather good news would be if the graph does not reflect a lack of interest of people but the fact that everything is sorted out on this front and there is nothing to discuss any more ... desktop ------------------- Thanks to Yves Alexis Perez and Fathi Boudra this project seems to get new life. I hope more people will join this effort. Good luck! devel-announce ------------------- Ten years of debian-devel-announce list might deserve some statistics about the people behind this list. For those who only read a view Debian related mailing lists but are interested in statistics like this I spammed a view of these lists with my personal interpretation of the graph of the list activists. When doing the stats I realised that the graph gives some clue about the projects behind the mailing list and want to share this observation. devel-games ------------------- Miriam, you seem to leed a nice and busy team. Congratulations! Have a nice play! devel ------------------- For me the most interesting thing in this graph is that most activists have a wave like profile. The activity increases and decreases at some point. We have lost some of the most active posters on the list and none of them has reached the activity of "the early years". I have no idea whether there is a reasonable interpretation of this feature. Anyway I think I use the chance to thank all those activists from the years before 2000 because without their effort we would probably not be where we are. Their work made Debian attractive enough for many others who took over now (at least the posting on the mailing list job ;-)). edu ------------------- There is one single minute I remember most lively from DebConf 3 in Oslo. In the discussion after my CDD talk Petter Reinholdtsen told me that Debian Edu is dead and I answered that SkoleLinux people should take over. Looking at this graph I'm *very* happy about this advise. I'm really, really happy about the development of supporting education inside Debian and the huge success of Debian Edu. Many thanks to all of you! And please do not underestimate one small detail in the graph: L. Redrejo shows up at the last position of the top ten poster but he is a really important contributor and I take the bet that his graph will grow over the years. The connection between LinEx to Debian Edu is another mile stone in the history of Debian Edu. Cudos to all the brave Extremadura people who are doing a really great job in supporting Debian! enterprise ------------------- Hmmm, two spammers in the top ten posters list where you can enter with two postings??? We should either close this list or give it a real sense! firewall ------------------- It seems many people left this project. :-( i18n ------------------- I was not able to widstand and so I tried to compare the 'Christian Perrier' posting daemon from i18n in 2008 with the 'Ian Jackson' posting daemon from devel in 1996 (what else than daemons might produce so many mails? # SELECT author, yearmonth, count(*) from listarchive where (author like 'Ian Jackson%' and project = 'devel' and EXTRACT(YEAR FROM yearmonth) = 1996 ) or (author = 'Christian Perrier' and project = 'i18n' and EXTRACT(YEAR FROM yearmonth) = 2008 ) group by author, yearmonth order by count desc; author | yearmonth | count -------------------+------------+------- Ian Jackson | 1996-04-01 | 216 Christian Perrier | 2008-10-01 | 195 Ian Jackson | 1996-08-01 | 193 Ian Jackson | 1996-02-01 | 173 Ian Jackson | 1996-05-01 | 173 Christian Perrier | 2008-06-01 | 159 Ian Jackson | 1996-01-01 | 147 Ian Jackson | 1996-03-01 | 146 Christian Perrier | 2008-05-01 | 144 Christian Perrier | 2008-04-01 | 139 Christian Perrier | 2008-09-01 | 129 Christian Perrier | 2008-07-01 | 118 Christian Perrier | 2008-08-01 | 96 Ian Jackson | 1996-06-01 | 92 Christian Perrier | 2008-03-01 | 89 Christian Perrier | 2008-02-01 | 85 Ian Jackson | 1996-11-01 | 73 Christian Perrier | 2008-01-01 | 59 Ian Jackson | 1996-09-01 | 51 Ian Jackson | 1996-10-01 | 39 Christian Perrier | 2008-11-01 | 29 Christian Perrier | 2008-12-01 | 16 Ian Jackson | 1996-12-01 | 14 (23 rows) OK, finally the winner is # SELECT author, sum(count) FROM (SELECT author, yearmonth, count(*) from listarchive where (author like 'Ian Jackson%' and project = 'devel' and EXTRACT(YEAR FROM yearmonth) = 1996 ) or (author = 'Christian Perrier' and project = 'i18n' and EXTRACT(YEAR FROM yearmonth) = 2008 ) group by author, yearmonth) AS tmp group by author; author | sum -------------------+------ Ian Jackson | 1317 Christian Perrier | 1258 (2 Zeilen) but Christian hey, start in January with some more mails and fight to the end of the year (16 mails in December - that's nothing) and you will be Mr. Top Poster!! ;-) Ah well, for the others of this really important list: Hold on the good work. Many non English speaker will be very happy about your work. Comment: This analysis was to quick. The overall statistics given on debian-project says that Christian is only on rank 11 of the most posting per project per year. The final winner is Michelle Konzack with 2745 postings on debian-user-german in 2004. ;-) isp ------------------- I wonder whether this wave-shaped pattern is a general feature of many mailing list ... jr ------------------- This project was always a one-man-show (no, I do not really count, I was just posting on behalf of synergies with other Blends). Ben Armstrong. In August last year Ben announced officially that he is asking for adoption of the project because his time is occupied by other things: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/08/msg00004.html Nothing worth mentioning happened since then on this mailing list. I would be really happy if somebody would take over Ben's hat and revitalised this project. I promise to give all help from technical side of Blends. I even adopted more or less the junior meta packages. If you are not sure what Debian Junior is you might like to have a look at http://cdd.alioth.debian.org/junior/tasks/ If you are a developer and are willing to fix some bugs just have a look to the bugs relevant for this project http://cdd.alioth.debian.org/junior/bugs/ THIS PROJECT IS IN NEED OF HELP! kde ------------------- Ups - is this project dying or has the list activity just moved to an different mailing list??? kernel ------------------- Another poster who crossed the 1000 postings per year limit: # SELECT author, sum(count) FROM (SELECT author, yearmonth, count(*) from listarchive where (author like 'Ian Jackson%' and project = 'devel' and EXTRACT(YEAR FROM yearmonth) = 1996 ) or (author = 'Christian Perrier' and project = 'i18n' and EXTRACT(YEAR FROM yearmonth) = 2008 ) or (author = 'Horms' and project = 'kernel' and EXTRACT(YEAR FROM yearmonth) = 2005 ) group by author, yearmonth) AS tmp group by author order by sum desc; author | sum -------------------+------ Ian Jackson | 1317 Christian Perrier | 1258 Horms | 1156 (3 rows) The good news is that after Horms vanished from this list Maximilian Attems took over the very active role but somehow I feel that this list needs more love. Thanks for working on kernel issues! laptop ------------------- It is really sad to see that in the last two years nobody really seem to care about laptops in Debian. :-( legal ------------------- The quite often observed wave-shaped pattern and only a view activists left to discuss legal problems. lex ------------------- The initiator of this list vanished (or at least did not showed any activity any more) and I have the feeling that the try to awake people on the list somehow failed. I would love to welcome jurists in the Debian Pure Blends effort but a lot of work has to be done. I do not really mean packaging work. I think much more important is to define a goal you want to approach and then attract people who are obliged to this goal. med ------------------- I'd like to use this chance to say thanks to all people who spended their time on Debian Med which somehow started as kind of a pet of mine but obviosely gained more and more important contributors since 2005. My special thanks goes to Charles Plessy, who might be able to completely take over the role I played for the project if needed which is besides his high competence in biology the most important thing: Doing strategical project work. Davi Paleino, for his very good work for the web pages, policy documents and care for the SVN repository. His ideas and work gave a new kick for my technical work for Blends Nelson A. de Oliveira and Steffen Moeller who are also comming from the biological "fraction" and I remember them very clearly when first Steffen and a bit later Nelson joined the project and took the first valuable amounts of work from my shoulders Michael Hanke for his work on medical imaging which added a new field of competence into our crew Daniel Leidert from DebiChem who on the one hand has common interest in some packages but was always helpful when it cames to technical packaging details. It was more than one time when he saved serious amounts of my time when it came to autoconf stuff Karsten Hilbert for his observation of Debian Med rather as a "user" (well he is the main GNUmed developer, but he just uses Debian Med in a way and provides interesting practical knowledge. Somehow also Elizabeth Barham in a similar position (but I'm not sure whether she is reading the list any more which would be the only loss of activists which is not normal according to my mailing list statistics) and not to forget: Mathieu Malaterre who was not even amongst the top ten posters when I startet graphing the activity for my talk at Debconf (for the record you might look at http://people.debian.org/~tille/talks/200808_med/debian-med.pdf ) Mathieu has obviosely a great insight into medical imaging and I'm really happy that he joined our team. Welcome Mathieu! Finally speeking about the status of August 2008 when Tobias Toedter was at position 10 in this list: Tobias (now known as Tobias Quathamer) is one of our "real" doctors, has done a reliable job for our web presentation under www.debian.org and is now a Debian developer himself. Tobias did the first steps for some structured way to publish our packages and he also deserves an explicite mentioning. Last but not least Frédéric Hébert who dedicated the computer which calculated all these graphs. :-) So thank you all - also those who are not mentioned explicitely for your fine work! mentors ------------------- Guessing from the graph this is a nice list with very active mentors (guessing that people who are frequently posting are mentoring instead or asking questions to mentors ;-)). Keep on the good work! multimedia ------------------- It's nice to see that there is an active team working on multimedia issues in Debian. Good luck. newmaint ------------------- Normally I removed postings from robots or generic addresses. In this case I just left NM Front Desk because I consider it a good sign that this poster is really constant over the last years. nonprofit ------------------- This is the graph of an obviosely dying list which recives the last postings only to decide that the list can be closed. While it was close to debian-med, debian-edu and debian-jr in the early days of CDD (now Blends) IMHO it shows similar features like debian-lex: There was a lack of strategical work and the people missed to define a goal they want to approach and then attract people who are obliged to this goal. openoffice ------------------- Rene, please try to form a real team around Openoffice!!! perl ------------------- Great to see a solidly growing and solid team. Congratulations! pkg-grass-general ------------------- While the project started very active in 2005 and 2006 the graph shows a decreasing activity. Make sure you will not lose more activists. My advise would be to join the Debian Pure Blends effort because this provides technical means to "visualise" your work. Visibility attracts people. Just talk to me if I can help! pkg-samba-maint ------------------- Three to four activists with a tendency of growing activity and no loss of developers. Seems to be a healthy project. Good luck for the future! policy ------------------- Thanks to Manoj Srivastava for his constant care for the policy over all the years. Just looking at all the graphs of lists I have never observed a poster who constantly and reliable was active over so many years with nearly the same order of magnitude of postings. python ------------------- While the list activity is not really growing it looks solid since the problems from 2004 and 2005 werde obviosely solved. qa ------------------- QA is like cleaning up behind people. It is nice that there are always people who do this work - some more active people might not harm anyway. release ------------------- The release team has obviosely managed to strengthen their team. Looks like really good teamwork for an very important job. Thanks for your fine work and let Lenny be the greatest release! ;-) science ------------------- Even if I'm the top poster on this list I do not intend to manage Debian Science. I'd rather want it to be closely connected to the Debian Pure Blends effort. This effort got some nice and inspiring ideas out of the Debian Science group and I'm lucky to see that there is a solid base of activists here. Good luck for the future. security ------------------- Ups, the graph becomes quite sparse in the last years. I can not really imagine that the reason should be that our software became more secure. Is anybody out there who has an explanation which does not come to the conclusion that we immediately should try to strengthen this team? The traffic statistic is consistent with the activists graph: http://lists.debian.org/stats/debian-security.png testing ------------------- It seems this list needs some new live ... user-french ------------------- Sorry for the English posting - I hope you are interested in the graph. user-german ------------------- Finally Andreas Pakulat found the cron daemon who posted 10 mails per day. ;-) user-portuguese ------------------- Sorry for the English posting - I hope you are interested in the graph. user-spanish ------------------- Sorry for the English posting - I hope you are interested in the graph. user ------------------- Who are the Johnson brothers??? ;-) vote ------------------- Here we can see the active voting years ... www ------------------- While Josip Rodin was very active on this list he failed in finding a new activist after he became quiet since 2003. Frank Lichtenheld and Matt Kraai tried to fullfill this role but it seems we need more power in this team. Hope you get more activists soon! x ------------------- Good to see that the Branden-Robinson-List turned into a real team list. Kind regards Andreas -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org