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> Datum: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 20:41:15 +0200
> Von: Michael Banck <mba...@debian.org>
> An: debian-project@lists.debian.org
> Betreff: Re: Presentation of iso downloads - simpler like Fedora?

> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 09:59:45PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> > > On ven., 2012-08-10 at 14:01 +0200, Steffen Möller wrote:
> > > > some binary software forced me into downloading a RedHat flavour, so
> I
> > > > went for Fedora. I found it very easy to get an ISO. I mean - very
> very
> > > > very easy. My suggestion is to copy that for our now pending release
> or
> > > > to make it even easier - not that I would know how to do that. They
> even
> > > > auto-picked a good mirror for me.
> > > > 
> > > > http://fedoraproject.org
> > > > 
> > > What about the direct link on top right of http://www.debian.org ?
> > 
> > Whatever the reason, a lot of people seems to miss that "Download" box.
> > I mean it.
> 
> Yeah, I did as well, when I last looked at it.

This thread pointed me to it. The "Getting Debian" is what jumped at me. And I 
had a colleague next to me whom I wanted to stop from installing Ubuntu by 
downloading the iso quickly since he was already burning Ubuntu's. One is 
guided to the Ubuntu ISOs more easily than with Debian, too, just more 
nerve-wrecking than with Fedora because of the extra clicks. The download link 
did not allow to change to Wheezy, which these days might possibly be 
worthwhile to announce a bit more.

> I think it is unfortunate that the button is part of the banner, I guess
> I quickly skip over the banner because I do not expect any important
> content in it and many other users might as well.
> 
> Having a button left/right of the "Getting Started" section might be
> more visible.

This apparently trivial thing delayed my sleep for a few nights now. We are 
covering more architectures than Fedora or Ubuntu. Our download page should 
then be allowed to be more complicated. But quite a few who may be new to Linux 
may possibly want to be guided a bit more towards the right thing to download 
than what they get on http://www.debian.org/distrib/ and then 
http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst or 
http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/.
And what when you want to try the current developent release not the stable  
one? I find this hard to find. Well, we do not want _every_ user we possibly 
could have.

I do not have any immediate answer. We just do an awful lot of things. And not 
all fits on the home page. And is the web page a page for us developers? Or 
about us developers and how Debian works? Or should it primarily bring our 
product to our users so our work gets the best possible perception? Something 
else?

Anyway, I just looked around at Ubuntu.com and like that a lot, also for what 
they are doing. RedHat is a catastrophe, even worse than our site at a first 
glimpse, SuSE a bit better than Redhat.  Fedora is nice. Truly nice, not only 
for the download but also for the integration of communty spirits. 

Steffen



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