Am Sonntag, 27. Oktober 2013, 07:58:03 schrieb Lars Wirzenius: > On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 09:00:20AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > Le Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:46:41AM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : > > > What do the rest of you think? > > > > Given how arbitrarly other bans have been proposed, I think that the > > outcome should stay private unless the banned person wishes so. > > I don't understand this at all. Are you saying Debian listmasters, who > decide on bans, have been making arbitrary, and therefore badly > justified, bans? In other words, are you saying that they have > prevented, without sufficient justification, people from posting to > Debian mailing lists? If that's what you're saying, could you give > examples of this? > > I doubt it has happened, but if it has, that's an excellent reason > make decisions about banning people from lists public. > > What's better? > > a) Someone gets banned from the lists, and nobody is told they have > been or at least nobody is told publically. The person might deduce it > from the fact that their mails never show up in the list archives, or > that people stop responding to them, but that's not always very > likely. Other people probably won't realise it at all. It's nearly > impossible to argue against a ban you don't agree with, or the reasons > for the ban, if everything is kept secret.
I always thought that if a listmaster bans someone from a list, he notifies that someone via mail personally? Isn´t that the case? So it is not just a decision between a and b or black and white. > b) Someone gets banned from the lists, and an explanation of why this > happened is posted in public. Anyone can review the decision, and if > it seems inappropriate, action can be taken. There is no room for > insinuating that the listmasters are abusing their powers. If the ban > was, in fact, inappropriate, it can be overturned, and the banned > person's reputation is cleared. > > To me, b) is obviously the better choice. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2721239.niUskzxTTu@merkaba