On Jan 7, 2014 3:48 AM, "Wouter Verhelst" <wou...@debian.org> wrote: > > Op 05-01-14 14:28, Joerg Jaspert schreef: > > On 13446 March 1977, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > >> I'm worried that this situation is harmful for the project. > > > > Yes, seperate development with different requirements than the > > production environment is harmful. It's a lesson that every larger > > company with an IT Department goes through at some point - and it's > > the same for our project. > > > > You need a development environment that is build and handled the same > > way as the production environment. Sure you need to evolve that, it may > > not stand still, with new requirements coming along, but you need to do > > that in close work with the people maintaining the production one, to > > ensure that the way thinks evolve is actually something that can be > > mirrored in the area it is intended to be run later. > > > > (Alternatively you can have a free-for-all run development and then get > > a third env, in which you then try to get to run the new release in a > > (newer version of the) production env). > > Since DSA is using puppet extensively ATM, wouldn't it be better to have > a documented procedure on how to set up a VM or chroot or similar > environment that uses DSA's puppet recipes to set up a development > instance? That way, people can make changes where necessary (while > obviously understanding these changes may or may not be acceptable), > don't have to worry about making a mistake and killing someone else's > machine (after all, it's their own machine), etc. > > Just a thought.
Well the toolset that people in the fast moving startup world are using to provide devs with a local dev environment that very much approximates their multinode prod envs is a combination of vagrant, virtualbox, and the puppet/chef code used to provision those environments. (Basically a toolset to automate the provisioning of local VMs that are configured like their production machines). I don't know enough about DSA infrastructure or the issues to say whether or not this would work for us, but it may be worth investigating. -Brian > > -- > This end should point toward the ground if you want to go to space. > > If it starts pointing toward space you are having a bad problem and you > will not go to space today. > > -- http://xkcd.com/1133/ > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52cbbf2d.2040...@debian.org >