On Monday, July 18, 2016 08:58:53 PM Ole Streicher wrote: > Scott Kitterman <deb...@kitterman.com> writes: > > I do think the example of Ubuntu splitting ubuntu-devel into ubuntu-devel > > and ubuntu-devel-discuss may be a relevant data point. As an active > > participant in Ubuntu development both before and after the split I paid > > attention to it (and remained subscribed to ubuntu-devel-discuss long > > after most other developers had unsubscribed). > > I would in opposition think that having ubuntu-devel and > ubuntu-devel-discuss was a bad decision. > > As a Debian Developer, I from time to time have a question about how > things are working in the Ubuntu Development. But since I am not an > Ubuntu developer, I can only use the -discuss mailing list. Since, as > you describe, many developers just unsubscribe there, my questions > always have a good chance to remain unanswered, which is at the end bad > for Ubuntu as well -- since I may solve someting non-optimal for Ubuntu, > or even frustated unsubscribe as well there. > > The big Plus on Debian is that we have a -devel list that is reachable > for everybody, and the threshold to participate is low. When I try to > get people involved in Debian, I always mention that they can discuss > their issues with the development there when they see a need. Having > the discussion exclusively for the DDs (and DMs) would break our > openness. > > So, I would vote against such a mailing list. If one sees the need for a > filtered one, he could just setup a filter and let only @debian.org > addresses pass. > > Maybe, one could provide some statistics in how big the noise is > actually in debian-devel?
As a DD, I think you can ask to be white listed onto ubuntu-devel, but that's a side issue (and no, since people have moved around since I stopped doing Ubuntu development, I don't know who you ask). I didn't write to advocate for or against a separate list, just to describe what happened from my POV as a potential data point for Debian's consideration of a similar proposal. Personally, after the default init system discussion, I doubt there's anyone left on debian-devel that can be forced off due to a low signal to noise ratio. Scott K