Dear Marc. I can certainly relate to your frustration. Also with Plasma certain things are broken, like some applications that use Qt WebEngine, IMHO partly due to only a few people dedicating their time to do all the packaging for Qt/KDE, which is a lot, a huge lot of work.
Marc Munro - 23.07.19, 03:22: > I didn't want to hate systemd but stuff that had worked forever, like > restarting gdm from the command line, hasn't worked for me since > systemd appeared. And what used to be a simple matter of creating a > service by creating a script and putting in a symlink into a runlevel > directory, is now apparently beyond my level of skill to make work. Just for this I like to tell you that I run Debian with Plasma without systemd for months already. Due to the awesome work of the init diversity team this is almost trivial. It just works although I did some manual steps to start pulseaudio and for work from services needed for Evolution¹. But I bet you'd call that: Yeah! Unix! [1] Using https://git.devuan.org/WIP-init/user-services This is work in progress and I already like to redesign it for it to be a frontend for runit and others… *both* user wide and system wide. But it works and I am lazy too and have other important activities. And yes, I am still running Debian on my laptop, not Devuan. Partly because I maintain a Debian package and partly to be able to provide bug reports to Debian. I run Devuan with eudev on my server VMs. Even without dbus as its not required, not even for the Qt based service quasselcore. I am deep gratitude, fully knowing that with Debian there would be no Devuan. Looking at the alternatives, it could either be some BSD, like DragonFlyBSD… or… well I am not sure whether there are many Linux distros out there which meet the high standard Debian adheres to. Or someone would look at all the operating systems out there, take the best of each one and drop anything else… I miss the simplicity back in AmigaOS times where I knew the purpose of every single file of the operating system. Computers for me are still there to serve humanity, instead of having their own policies – even if it is just the policies some developers put into it. I can certainly relate to: "It has to do what I tell it to" instead of "It knows better than me". It has no business to know better than me, ever. Period. The library for the graphical environment of AmigaOS was called intuition.library for a reason. So if anything: It is easier to let go in gratitude! And if there is hate… I strongly recommend to welcome it. Let it be there. And let it dissolve all by itself. Thanks, -- Martin