-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 From: Gael Varoquaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To sum up, the problem is that setup tools is not designed to interact with the outside world. It does not provide an api for listing dependencies, does all kind of magic during the install, and insists for doing everything itself, and not exposing the info it has to the external world. [...] I also totally strip the Python source from anything relevant to setuptools, this way I am sure there is not setuptools introduced magic in them. Setuptools is only a build requirement. ====== Very interesting. I quite agree with you that the setuptools API is highly deficient. And my attempt to point out one deficiency was dismissed as the way things are supposed to be by the author. I think a redesign and rewirte of setuptools (or at least, the pkg_resource.py portion of setuptools) would be a good project for someone. However, I don't agree that setuptools is only a build requirement. setuptools makes writing plugins for a package much easier than starting from scratch. Also, eggs (as in the egg metadata that comes with the packages; not the optional pseudo-jar copying zip format) may be duplication but it is not needless duplication. Elf shared libraries and packages contain duplicate information but we don't call for removal of versioning information from either of those because it's provided by the other. Package versioning is useful at install time. Shared library versioning and egg versioning are useful at runtime. Unfortunately, the rest of the setuptools baggage (with easy_install and friends) tends to throw up a smoke screen around this useful aspect of the format. - -Toshio -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG5g5JX6yAic2E7kgRAueBAJ9CksxJhB/Ck739NrL5cUgIjWbCpQCfV6Yk QagLuG1kDKo8bmXynlxBpa8= =KJne -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]