My daughter discovered this by accidentally starting a kde4 session with no a single crash at all!!
1. Must have a clean .kde4 on start! Even the one that I got by starting using sudo was not clean enough. Got rid of that. Viole. 2. Kicker and kdesktop will come up anyway, it seems (the old kde stuff is on the path to be able to run stuff like kmail). Currently, the session settings are not working? so the excluding them did not work and running apps were not restored on new login. 3. Desktop settings and themes were not fully honored, Icon choices for "applications" showed, for devices NO. I did succeed in getting smaller icons. 4. Konqueror could not access the internet--klauncher failed to make the connections, w or w/o proxy. In terms of this bug: 1. Place notification in change/log or in the preinstall script for kde4 about having no preexisting .kde4 on first run (temping to copy .kde to get all ones settings-a no no. Copy certain config rc files, konqueror profiles, etc, later on. 2. Can close. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]