On 12/22/2016 12:09 PM, transmail wrote: >> If the people who invested all the time and effort to set up websites like >> 'without-systemd.org' actually took that energy to pick up the sysvinit >> maintainership and start fixing the almost 400 issues the packages >> has [2], these people would actually have a case and people like >> you wouldn't enter a possible minefield. > > without-systemd.org is not created to maintain SysVInit, but to inform > people how they can avoid systemd. For example they enlisted dozens of > alternative init systems which are still maintained, so people like me > will know about what alternatives will we have when we have to abandon > SysVInit.
Most of the other init systems aren't actually maintained either. Upstart was dropped by Canonical and OpenRC and runit are merely moving along. It's just too much of a big effort trying to keep up when the rest of the Linux plumberland is moving so quickly. >> But with the current situation, you have to be quite courageous to >> replace core infrastructure on your machines with unmaintained >> software. This is never a good idea, independent whether you like >> systemd or not. > > My secondary desktop is my old Amiga 500+ from 1992 with several hardware > modifications, > Amiga OS 3.1 & 1.3 and dozens of 3rd party patches. I also have a G4 > with OSX Tiger and a Mac Mini with OSX Snow Leopard. And other Apple, Atari, > Commodore > and Sun machines. Not mentioning my 8 and 16-bit consoles with homemade > modifications. I appreciate your warnings, but i am not afraid of obsolete > technology > and unmaintained software. Or to alternate them. I was not talking about museum objects, I was talking about production machines. I have tons of these machines as well, heck, my whole basement is full of obscure computers. But I use none of these to run a server which is hooked up to the internet - unless they are running maintained software. > But i don't want to argue over systemd. I'm asking these here, because if > i need a Linux for Sparc64 workstations (like my Sun Blade 100), then i have > no other > choice than Debian. (http://bgafc.t-hosting.hu/oses4sparc64.php?ft2=2&;) > Or maybe Gentoo, but i don't want to use Gentoo. Gentoo is still stuck with gcc-5 because they lack the manpower to do [1] the transition to gcc-6 while Debian has already gcc-7 in its repositories [2]. This is a perfect example of what happens when you are spending too much time on pointless efforts like alternative init systems or udev alternatives. Adrian > [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=582084 > [2] https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=gcc-7&suite=experimental -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `- GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
