Hej! Den fre 27 maj 2022 kl 11:02 skrev Simon Hoffmann < deb...@list.simonhoffmann.net>:
Tack för snabbt och fylligt svar. Följdfråga: Är verkligen ett onlineforum "An online content-sharing service provider"? Är verkligen ett supportmöte för linux att anse som "An online content-sharing service provider"? Om nu servren står i Tyskland, är det alltså tysk nationell tillämpning som gäller? Hur blir det med publik åtkomst till denna lista, på https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-swedish and all other debian lists under lists.debian.org. De måste väl falla under smma bestämelse? Kan ens mejlinglista vara kvar? Skall man kanske flytta server utanför EU? // Med vänliga hälsningar rbh Rickard B Hansson Rusfors 22 921 91 Lycksele tel 070-30 90 143 Den fre 27 maj 2022 kl 11:02 skrev Simon Hoffmann < deb...@list.simonhoffmann.net>: > On Fri 27 May 07:21, Hund wrote: > > On 26 May 2022 23:26:53 CEST, Rickard B Hansson < > rickard.b.hans...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >Hej! > > > > > >Jag funderar på nedanstående text från ett linuxforum: > > > > > >> under new EU regulations re. social media platforms including forums, > you > > >> need basically staff and schedules or a 100% nonpublic forum. [...] > > > > > > > > > > > >> Consider the following: everybody wants to go on vacation. what > happens > > >> with the forum? The only possible answer to that is: it gets shut > down if > > >> there's nobody on schedule, because how else would you guarantee the > > >> presence of a volunteer mod? You can't, and that would already be a > > >> violation of the responsibilities that fall upon operators of > forums... > > >> > > > > > >GDPR <https://gdpr.eu/what-is-gdpr/> och Digital Service Act > > >< > https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/digital-services-act-package > > > > >nämndes. > > >men jag kan inte hitta ovanstående scenario där. > > >Någom som vet? Är slutet för alla små nätforum nära nu, eller är > > >ovanstående en feltolkning? > > > > > > > > >// Med vänliga hälsningar rbh > > > > > >Rickard B Hansson > > > > Det låter befängt. Varför skulle ett forum behöva ha en ansvarig > närvarande dygnet runt, när ingen annan hemsida behöver det? > > Det är enkelt. Din hemsida eller Debians hemsida är inte är bara > "read-only". Hela > världen kan inte skriva content på den. Men på ett öppen forum kan vem som > helst > skapa ett konto och skriva ngt. > > Men det har faktiskt ingenting att göra med EU-GDPR, men med "EU-Copyright > directive". > > Let me switch to english where i can articulate myself better :) > > In 2019 the EC/parliament passed a new directive "on copyright and related > rights in > the Digital Single Market". (link: > http://data.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/790/oj) > > The most relevant part is Article 17. I may quote > > "An online content-sharing service provider shall therefore obtain an > authorisation from the rightholders referred to in > Article 3(1) and (2) of Directive 2001/29/EC, for instance by concluding a > licensing agreement, in order to communicate > to the public or make available to the public works or other subject > matter." > > "If no authorisation is granted, online content-sharing service providers > shall be liable for unauthorised acts of > communication to the public, including making available to the public, of > copyright-protected works and other subject > matter, unless the service providers demonstrate that they have: > (a) made best efforts to obtain an authorisation, and > (b) made, in accordance with high industry standards of professional > diligence, best efforts to ensure the unavailability > of specific works and other subject matter for which the rightholders have > provided the service providers with the > relevant and necessary information; and in any event > (c) acted expeditiously, upon receiving a sufficiently substantiated > notice from the rightholders, to disable access to, or > to remove from their websites, the notified works or other subject matter, > and made best efforts to prevent their > future uploads in accordance with point (b)." > > > This means that you need to obtain a licence for every copyright protected > text/image/video/whatever that is posted on your side. You need to > negotiate the > licence *before* uploading the copyrighted material. If you cannot obtain > a licence, > then you as the operator of the platform must ensure that no material > whatsoever, > that violates valid copyright, is posted on your side. To do this you must > have > automatic content detection ("content filters") and/or must have a > procedure where > any arbitrary person may flag some content as copyright protected so that > you can > remove this content in a timely manner, and prevent this content from > being uploaded > again (hello again content filters). > > This is basically impossible unless you are a very large company who can > spend > millions on automated content filters and staff to review posts. > If you would strictly adhere to the regulation, each new post after the > regulation > came into effect should have been hold for moderation and be manually > checked for > copyright violations, as no automatic content filter can distinguish > between fair use > policies for eg satire and actual violation of copyright. Furthermore, all > posts > submitted to your website prior to the regulation becoming active should > also be > reviewed, as you are also responsible for posts in the past. > > Many experts have stated that the directive in this current form destroys > all hobby > projects and means a deep cut into freedom of speech, as automated content > filters > need to be set very strictly and thus there will be lots of false > positives (fair use > policy for satire/art etc). On huge platforms, you cannot review all posts > blocked > from the automatic content filter, so you rather block more and prohibit > freedom of > speech, where there is no fine, then block less and risk fines for > violating > copyright. > > Sadly, the german politician and member of the EP Axel Voss, who was the > driving > force behind the directive, did not care at all what the experts sad, and > commented > on the huge protests and demonstrations we had in germany that "they are > just some > teens who were fed some wrong narrative from big companies who dont want > to be held > accountable". > Believe me, I am really not proud of our exports to the EP. > > This directive was passed in 2019, and came into effect as national law 2 > years > later, whereas each member of the EU had to draft their own law. So the > actual > swedish implementation might be a little different from the implementation > in other > EU contries, which is why i leave it as a task for the reader to look up > their actual > binding version of this directive and figure out what is allowed and what > it not in > their country :) > > > Med hälsningar från Tyskland > > Simon > >
