1. what do you expect for free? you are talking as if you have some RIGHT to DEMAND that things get done according to YOUR needs. Nobody would mind if you politely asked "how do i get this working?" - but you antagonise people by demanding "your system is fucked, fix it for me!".
We're all volunteers here, debian developers & users alike...we dont have to put up with your abusive attitude. 2. if you have a problem then you are more likely to get help by sticking to the technical issues rather than starting things off by saying how crappy & useless & broken debian is. We know debian isn't perfect. If you have constructive suggestions to make, then make them, but don't expect everyone to jump immediately and say "yes master! at once, master!". If you can improve things, then work on improving them - debian development is OPEN. The distinction between debian developers and debian users is not very clear-cut. If you have flames, then keep them to yourself (or save them for some commercial software support line) Nobody decides to "...throw the user to the lions..." on this or any other poing in debian. Package developer's are only human (and they're volunteers...some even have real lives outside of computers and the net and debian)...they CANT think of and cater for every situation. If you, or any user, has constructive suggestions to make then make them. 3. some things are complex. some things do require a willingness to read documentation. some things do need a little brainpower to figure out. A fair amount of DIY attitude is needed if you want to run a unix system. This is especially true for someone who calls themselves a "SysAdmin" and an ISP. There's a lot more to the job than just the title. An ISP who doesn't understand PPP and who is unwilling to read documentation ("But I shouldn't have to.") is one who i would have no hesitation in recommending people to steer clear of. There is a particular logical, methodical way of thinking/seeing which is very useful for solving technical problems...you don't seem to have it. 4. it seems to me that you are in this for the flaming and not to resolve your technical problems. You seem to respond only to those replies which have the most flame potential and completely ignore those which have reasonable suggestions for things you could try (e.g. my multi-point post of a few days ago was completely ignored) 5. debian-user is a much more pleasant mailing list without all the flames. I suggest that everyone ignore any further posts from you until you learn some manners. 6. I donate my time to try to help out people on this mailing list for free. I do this sort of support for a living, and spending time helping out in here is one of my ways of putting some energy back into debian. However, I am not willing to do that for anyone as abusive as you. I'm a volunteer and dont have to put up with such shit. Contact me for my standard consulting rates if you want any further email support from me. 7. You get what you pay for. caveat emptor. craig