On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Colin Telmer wrote: > On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Joey Hess wrote: > > > Colin Telmer wrote: > > > I have been using pine for years (no nfs spool) and have never ever > > > experienceed corruption and mail loss due to pine. > > > > FWIW, I used pine for years, and experienced frequent data loss. (I use mutt > > now.) > > Maybe I have too but just haven't noticed:) Seriously, how does this > manifest itself? Cheers, Colin. >
I used pine for a long while and had no problems. The configuration was pcpine (from Washington) on W3.1 with Netmanage Newt for TCP, and Debian 1.x as clients, and the server was/is (uname -a) SunOS tyne 5.4 Generic_101945-50 sun4m sparc which used to run the IMAP2bis or whatever it was called. Then they changed the imapd server to IMAP4rev1 and that's when the trouble started. There are two symptoms and I don't know if they're related but I think they must be. The first is that the client sees emails with "bogus date 0 jan 1970 in headers" or some such message. The second is that IMAP pseudo-headers have overwritten the start of the real emails. I've here reduced the number of paragraphs from eight to two to save space, and put in x's: --8<-- xFrom MAILER-DAEMON Mon Mar 30 12:40:46 1998 xDate: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:40:46 +0100 (BST) xFrom: Mail System Internal Data <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> xSubject: DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE -- FOLDER INTERNAL DATA xX-IMAP: 0890661741 0000000825 xStatus: RO x xThis text is part of the internal format of your mail folder, and is not xa real message. It is created automatically by the mail system software. xIf deleted, important folder data will be lost, and it will be re-created xwith the data reset to initial values. x xStatus: O \ xX-Status: | xX-Keywords: xX-UID: 0 x | these should x | not be here xStatus: O xX-Status: xX-Keywords: | xX-UID: 0 / x [EMAIL PROTECTED]>; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 09:38:53AM -0600 xResent-Message-ID: <"IHo-1B.A.9WG.7zsF1"@murphy> xResent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org xX-Mailing-List: <debian-user@lists.debian.org> archive/latest/882 xX-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org xPrecedence: list xResent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] xStatus: RO xX-Status: xX-Keywords: xX-UID: 64 x xOn Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 09:38:53AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: x> On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Bill Leach wrote: x> --8<-- My rationalisation of this behaviour is that I was reading this file as incoming mail, and as I deleted each message in pine, imapd was inserting these four-line paragraphs to indicate the fact. Meanwhile, sendmail would deliver some new mail which involves updating the fifth line of the file (I think it's the number of unseen messages). If a pointer was left there, my subsequent deletions could write paragraphs to the wrong place. Alternatively, all this is the product of an overactive imagination... I started using procmail to deliver my mail to multiple inboxes, and could watch procmail report its file-locking activities: procmail: [9792] Thu Apr 9 13:07:30 1998 procmail: Match on "^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" procmail: Locking "Debian.lock" procmail: Assigning "LASTFOLDER=Debian" procmail: Opening "Debian" procmail: Acquiring kernel-lock procmail: Unlocking "Debian.lock" >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Apr 9 13:07:30 1998 Subject: Re: hanging on boot; NFS problem in 2.0 Folder: Debian 2714 procmail: Notified comsat: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/export/home/dww2/Inbox/Debian" but this didn't avoid corruption occurring. I like pine enough to make some compromises which include: . only running pine on the sun (tyne) which means 3.91, not 3.96 . delivering my email folders from the files procmail writes to the files pine reads, using a perl script that dotlocks and checks that I'm not running pine or imapd when it runs . losing pine notification, but I get this back through the procmail log file. Actually it does have some advantages - it makes it very easy and safe to zip and ftp my entire incoming mail to my home machine and read it offline with debian's pine. Cheers, -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +44 1908 653 739 Fax: +44 1908 655 151 Snail: David Wright, Earth Science Dept., Milton Keynes, England, MK7 6AA Disclaimer: These addresses are only for reaching me, and do not signify official stationery. Views expressed here are either my own or plagiarised. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]