Karsten krabbed, > On Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 07:27:11AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Karsten kried,
> > cross application cut and paste. Come to think of it, that's the *only* > > thing I've seen either of these offer that I've seen any use for . . . > > I'm quite happy with xterms, LyX, and a nice grey interweaved desktop. > > Everythingt else takes extra cycles or screen real estate (and I'm not > > to happy that I can't remove the buttons within lyx for this same reason > > . . .) > ...only when the X paste buffer isn't available. It works pretty well > for me. MSFT's six-action CnP just kills me. Two clicks, that's all it > takes. Though option to clear the target field would be nice.... Oh, I much prefer X's version for almost everything. But I can see the value in being able to move images, etc. I am *not* trying to defend MSFT, though I find them funny. A friend went to save a one page document to floppy, and it wouldn't fit. Seems he'd pasted in an image from excel, and it used every known format . . . > > > > I know Gnome and KDE are called "environments", but they still only > > > > look like...errrm...a tweaked MS task bar and program launcher. > > > Funny, I see the same thing <g>. > > Nah, it's a tweak of the MS ripoff of MacOs 5.0/multifinder, with one > > or two $20 shareware extensions . . . > Wait! The Alto!! What about the Alto?!! OK, what about Raskin's master's thesis? :) I drew the cutoff at 5.0/multifinder due to what's there. The tasks cycle and list,(gee, the bar at the bottom) [oops, they stopped cycling with multifinder; that was the switcher], a heirarchical extension (choose from a couple) gives you the whole start menu, boomerang did a better job of providing recent files, and I think you have the whole W95 interface. Some of this wasn't in earlier versions of Mac, or the other windowing systems. (no, I don't think the GUI started with apple [Although Raskin may have a claim, and he helped apple do it . . .]). ob trivia: the lisa interface predated the PARC visit . . . > > > Well, aside from the all-too-cool dock on the right of my monitor.... > > > Yes, I run WindowMaker and like it. Clean, quick, handy keyboard > > > accelerators, stable. I'll occasionally fire up KDE or Gnome for kicks. > > gee, do you kick puppies, too? :) put hamsters in microwaves? > My lawyer will be in touch with you. Don't move. Sorry, he can't sue me due to professional courtesy :) [But now I'm a recovering lawyer. It's one day at a time, but I've been clean for nearly six years . . .] > > > There's nothing "required" in Gnome or KDE. > I meant -- there's nothing required in Gnome or KDE that you can't get > without them. Yes, there are requirements *for* both, particularly > memory (even my 96 MB box slows down under them). Oh, in that case :) I will admit to having KDE on the FreeBSD box at home for the kids. But I haven't gone as far as figuring out how to get it to start netscape. It does seem to save their session, though. I refuse to let it near the internet running windows . . . come to think of it, I need to get the sound card working (it's a wierd one) and see if I even *need* windows for the old progams they use now that I have a reasonably recent version of wine . . > > Oh, and the dependency of gnumeric on gnome leads to gnomes dependencies > > on sound managagers and the like--even though there's no sound card . . . > Gee. Fun. there was a simple solution :) And on the same day I deleted them, I figured out how to get lynx to a light background in X (though it only works in debian, not freebsd for some reason), and to spawn a new lynx for links, letting me dump netscape . . . > > > nothing else running on commercial Unix that comes close (I'm not > > > counting Mac OS X as it's not based on X Windows and isn't a full Unix > > > despite its Mach core). > > But on top of the mach core there is a full unix as I understand it, > > including an Xserver that coexists with the mac display > More info? i'm sure it's out there :) More seriously, though I don't have links to back it up, my understanding is that X apps can display under MacOs X, and that the whole unix stuff is there, just hidden from view of those that don't have a reason to go looking. Assuming that a high-end fortran 90/95/00 compiler is avaialble, it's entirely possible that I'll ask for one of these at my next university for my desk machine. hawk
