On Wednesday 13 February 2002 01:22 am, you wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > On Tuesday 12 February 2002 04:28 pm, Michel Loos wrote:
> > [snip]
> >
> > > As far as I know Windows can only boot from a primary partition. Since
> > > you have more then 4 partitions some must be secondary partition: you
> > > won t be able to boot windows from them.
> > > I am not even sure that you can toggle the bootable flag on a secondary
> > > partition?
> >
> > this is true. any windows partition has to be within the first four
> > partitions.
>
> not completely: windows NT and derivates  (2000 XP) could resist on a
> extended partition - in a logical drive - but they need a primary for
> the ntloader (NTLDR)
>

given that the loader requires a primary partition, in congruence with what i 
posted--which you haven't included in your response--the point asserted 
remains true. let's not quibble about how disfunctional ms's alleged os's 
are. it's enough to say that they are indubitably f**ked up. i haven't been 
anywhere near 2ooo but have a lot of experience negotiating between (ai)nt  
and a variety of near *nixes. in each case, the only way to have both reside 
harmoniously was to first let the ms product think it was the only os on the 
disk. the easy way to claim the disk for linux is to do the win(loss) 
installation first and then reclaim it in the course of a LINUX installation, 
but there ain't nothing that redmond has thought about that any linux or unix 
can't circumvent. please, bring me the box--if it's ms-based, it's bustable. 
you've got to know, yourself, that this is true. as far as the possibility of 
anything ms residing on extended paritions is concerned, the answer is yes, 
as long as the logical (extended) partition is a sub-partition of the initial 
dos partition, which is limited by definition to the first of the first four 
partitions available for a variety of manipulations available to linux, unix, 
hpux, mac osx, and probably a bunch of other *nix variants. 

i spent two weeks of my ife trying to explain to a *nix expert why nt domains 
had no correspondence to his concept of domains, and i don't expect 2ooo to 
be any better in tune with the real world. ms crap, regardless of the fact 
that i know how to deal with it, is the bane of my life. give me a *nix 
variant any day of the week.

really, i find it hard not to give myself over to simple gutteral growls and 
grunts whenever i'm forced to deal with anything ms. 

have you ever been charged with the task of setting up a windon't mail 
server? nobody's listening when you try to tell them that the project is 
f**ked from the start.

how can you seriously attempt to defend a product that, at its best (nt4), 
even having paid for the license, is still such a vulnerable piece of crap 
that you really begin to wonder who should be paying whom? 

here's a tip: subscribe to vulnwatch. those guys fill me in on the hacks that 
i didn't know.

sorry for the rant, but hey

ben

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