The first mistake is running Windows.

The second mistake is not putting Windows machines all on their own
subnet with a firewall between it and the `good' machines on the Linux
subnet.

Aynone who can secure Windows itself with a firewall product has a ready
and steady market!

-- 
Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, dman wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 10:16:50PM -0700, David Smead wrote:
> | Noah,
> |
> | The more programs running on a computer, the less secure it is.  A
> | firewall can run a mimimal system - see the LEAF project with deep Debian
> | roots.  If you run a firewall running out of RAM then not only will it be
> | minimal, but no trojans can live beyond a reboot.
>
> Ok, that's cool.  Now run IE on Windows on a client behind your
> firewall.  Surf to a site running IIS and Nimbda.  You've got Nimda.
> Lotta goog the firewall did there.
>
> | I'll let you tell me how a browser session of an internal user is hijacked
> | and then we'll discuss the missing rule in the firewall.
>
> The missing rule is that you let out requests destined for TCP port
> 80.  (or 8080 or wherever that IIS server happens to be listening)
> Or, maybe the problem is the (insecure) IE client.
>
> -D
>
>


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