basic user here: installed debian with a cd out of a magazine to boot with ftp and dselect. Looks fine to me. As basic user I don't even know what GNU is so I am not too concerned about it. Anybody who does should be able to get the tools he wants. There are old apps in debian - but it works. I had Suse and RH and MDK and other distros installed - all with the newest, shiny stuff - only problem was a lot of apps keep crashing. With debian I didn't have anything crashing so far. I do want to thank everybody involved with debian to create a distro that is more tailored towards stability than to include the latest gizmos. If somebody wants or needs those - hey you can always compile your apps from source - nobody's stopping you.
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